That’s not how it works. I know multiple Muslim women who wear headscarves and abayas without anyone pressuring them to do so. Blanket banning that is taking away their rights; where does it end? Do we ban all marriages because some women are pressured into one?
They don't can women from wearing them - just children that usually wear whatever their parents want them to wear without having a choice.
It's about making a conscious decision while also removing as much religion from schools as possible
It doesn’t end in schools, the far right is also banning them from government property and fining women who cover their face in public.
Why would women want to cover their face in public?
Some women do because it’s considered Mustahab, they do it out of a desire to get extra credit from God. Others do it because they want a sense of privacy, as in they only show their face to their family.
It’s sometimes hard for non-Muslims to grasp but they want to be judged based on their ideas and speech and not by their looks. A lot of western society won’t take women seriously if they don’t put makeup on or dress a certain way, and this is pushing back on that mindset.
Women are taught since childhood that if they don't cover themselves they will go to hell (basically), so when people say "they are not forced, they do it because they want", its because they are taught if they dont do it, they are going to be punished.
You wouldn't send a kid in a bikini and makeup to school, right? So why is the other option not wrong too?
Again that’s not true. Go talk to some Muslims before you just repeat false stereotypes.
And even if that were true that people do things for their religion, why is it your business? Are you going to force us to eat pork, like some French far right extremists are calling for?
Im going to force you to accept homosexuality, yes.
Is that what this has been about in your mind? We can’t freely wear what we want because you want to force your politics on others?
Politics? I dont want to be beaten up or killed on the streets because in holding hands with my partner.
You calling it politics shows what you really think about homosexuality.
Glad of the decision of France and hope more west European countries follow them.
You’re being needlessly hyperbolic. You can hold hands with men in literally any and every Muslim country out there. It’s absolutely normal. But it’s quite telling how the false stereotypes in your mind work.
Sexuality is your hot button issue and religious freedom is mine. You’re demanding your opinion be respected while insulting mine. You’re fine with trying to force others to agree with you while I’m merely for letting people be free to wear what they want. Somehow you view that as a threat? Wearing longsleeves leads to homophobia in your crazy mind. France is only hurting itself and causing more conflict, you need to learn French history better to see how badly this will end.
A lot of Muslim countries have death penalty on homosexual, what are you even talking about?
Im not insulting you in any way. Dont compare the lgbt community to your religion. We are really fighting for freedom. You are fighting for women opression and punishment of homosexuality. Period.
A ton of countries have laws against homosexuality still on the books, i even lived in a Christian country that still jails for homosexual acts today, that’s not specific to Muslim ones. That still doesn’t invalidate my point that you can hold hands in public in Muslim communities and literally nobody cares. The only punishment is for open public sex acts in the presence of witnesses (also a crime in New York City), which is still better than Uganda or Jamaica lynching rumored gays. Stop singling out Muslims when American Muslims are statistically more likely to support LGBT rights than American Christians. I’m not your enemy despite all the misplaced ignorant hate you’re spewing here.
You’re being continuously insulting by first making this about you (French people can’t have religious freedom because people in OTHER countries behave in a way you hate) and ignoring everything I say just so you can talk past me and repeat your false and hateful stereotypes. Even the gay Muslims I know don’t approve of your idea to ban individual religious freedom. Grow up and peace.
How many Muslim children have you spoken to? Seriously? You know nothing.
Kids want to imitate and be seen as adults; which is why Muslim boys want to grow beards even without any prompting and Muslim girls want to wear hijab because it’s also a sign they’ve matured. Sikh boys want to have beards and turbans for the same reason, and conservative Jewish boys want to have facial hair or a payess.
To these kids, you’re telling them they can’t look like their families in school and have to suppress their religion and culture. You’re singling them out and putting all the burden on them and not putting the same burden on the non-minority children. That’s the wrong way to do it.
If an adult wear provocative dresses or adult clothes, you would not let a child dress like that because their parents do.
All religious items are banned in schools in France, so just because you are minority, don't give you the right to not follow what others do.
That’s not how it works. I know multiple Muslim women who wear headscarves and abayas without anyone pressuring them to do so. Blanket banning that is taking away their rights; where does it end? Do we ban all marriages because some women are pressured into one?
They don't can women from wearing them - just children that usually wear whatever their parents want them to wear without having a choice.
It's about making a conscious decision while also removing as much religion from schools as possible
It doesn’t end in schools, the far right is also banning them from government property and fining women who cover their face in public.
Why would women want to cover their face in public?
Some women do because it’s considered Mustahab, they do it out of a desire to get extra credit from God. Others do it because they want a sense of privacy, as in they only show their face to their family.
It’s sometimes hard for non-Muslims to grasp but they want to be judged based on their ideas and speech and not by their looks. A lot of western society won’t take women seriously if they don’t put makeup on or dress a certain way, and this is pushing back on that mindset.
Women are taught since childhood that if they don't cover themselves they will go to hell (basically), so when people say "they are not forced, they do it because they want", its because they are taught if they dont do it, they are going to be punished.
You wouldn't send a kid in a bikini and makeup to school, right? So why is the other option not wrong too?
Again that’s not true. Go talk to some Muslims before you just repeat false stereotypes.
And even if that were true that people do things for their religion, why is it your business? Are you going to force us to eat pork, like some French far right extremists are calling for?
Im going to force you to accept homosexuality, yes.
Is that what this has been about in your mind? We can’t freely wear what we want because you want to force your politics on others?
Politics? I dont want to be beaten up or killed on the streets because in holding hands with my partner.
You calling it politics shows what you really think about homosexuality.
Glad of the decision of France and hope more west European countries follow them.
You’re being needlessly hyperbolic. You can hold hands with men in literally any and every Muslim country out there. It’s absolutely normal. But it’s quite telling how the false stereotypes in your mind work.
Sexuality is your hot button issue and religious freedom is mine. You’re demanding your opinion be respected while insulting mine. You’re fine with trying to force others to agree with you while I’m merely for letting people be free to wear what they want. Somehow you view that as a threat? Wearing longsleeves leads to homophobia in your crazy mind. France is only hurting itself and causing more conflict, you need to learn French history better to see how badly this will end.
A lot of Muslim countries have death penalty on homosexual, what are you even talking about?
Im not insulting you in any way. Dont compare the lgbt community to your religion. We are really fighting for freedom. You are fighting for women opression and punishment of homosexuality. Period.
A ton of countries have laws against homosexuality still on the books, i even lived in a Christian country that still jails for homosexual acts today, that’s not specific to Muslim ones. That still doesn’t invalidate my point that you can hold hands in public in Muslim communities and literally nobody cares. The only punishment is for open public sex acts in the presence of witnesses (also a crime in New York City), which is still better than Uganda or Jamaica lynching rumored gays. Stop singling out Muslims when American Muslims are statistically more likely to support LGBT rights than American Christians. I’m not your enemy despite all the misplaced ignorant hate you’re spewing here.
You’re being continuously insulting by first making this about you (French people can’t have religious freedom because people in OTHER countries behave in a way you hate) and ignoring everything I say just so you can talk past me and repeat your false and hateful stereotypes. Even the gay Muslims I know don’t approve of your idea to ban individual religious freedom. Grow up and peace.
No children is choosing to wear it.
How many Muslim children have you spoken to? Seriously? You know nothing.
Kids want to imitate and be seen as adults; which is why Muslim boys want to grow beards even without any prompting and Muslim girls want to wear hijab because it’s also a sign they’ve matured. Sikh boys want to have beards and turbans for the same reason, and conservative Jewish boys want to have facial hair or a payess.
To these kids, you’re telling them they can’t look like their families in school and have to suppress their religion and culture. You’re singling them out and putting all the burden on them and not putting the same burden on the non-minority children. That’s the wrong way to do it.
If an adult wear provocative dresses or adult clothes, you would not let a child dress like that because their parents do.
All religious items are banned in schools in France, so just because you are minority, don't give you the right to not follow what others do.