Young climate activist tells Greenpeace to drop ‘old-fashioned’ anti-nuclear stance

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Young climate activist tells Greenpeace to drop ‘old-fashioned’ anti-nuclear stance
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The daft thing is that even if another Chernobyl happened (unlikely given superior technology and safety standards) it wouldn't be anywhere near as damaging as climate change.

The radiation would only affect a small area of the planet not the whole world, and technically radiation doesn't even cause climate damage. Chernobyl has plenty of trees and plenty of wildlife, it's just unsuitable for human habitation.

The daft thing is that even if another Chernobyl happened (unlikely given superior technology and safety standards) it wouldn’t be anywhere near as damaging as climate change.

Here's my favorite way to put it: because of trace radioactive elements found in coal ore, coal-fired power plants produce more radioactivity in normal operation than nuclear power plants have in their entire history, including meltdowns. And with coal, it just gets released straight into the environment without any attempt to contain it!

And that's just radioactivity, not all the other emissions of coal plants.

This is a fun fact but I don't think it matters, no one is getting radiation sickness from coal smoke. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying coal smoke is healthy, it's fucking awful and causes way more deaths than nuclear power plants.

I think you just contradicted yourself in that same sentence

No, I'm saying that saying the radiation concerns specifically of coal output isn't a concern with regards to health.

You're right coal deaths are just confined to mines, respiratory illnesses and excess cancers from chronic low dose exposure.

it's fucking awful and causes way more deaths than nuclear power plants.

No, I'm saying that saying the radiation concerns specifically of coal output isn't a concern with regards to health.

So chronic low level exposure to radiation is fine?

I'm not saying it's fine, I'm saying it feels like an order of magnitude less of a concern compared to all of the other bad things that can happen from coal smoke.

Federation of American scientists (FAS) believe that the number is actually calculable:

"The quantity of radioactive material liberated by the burn- ing of coal is considerable, since on average it contains a few parts per million of uranium and thorium"

"Per gigawatt- year (GWe-yr) of electrical energy produced by coal, using the current mix of technology throughout the world, the population exposure is estimated to be about 0.8 lethal cancers per plant-year distributed over the affected population."

"Table 7.2 summarizes these data. With 400 GWe of coal-fired power plants in the world, this amounts to some 320 deaths per year; in the world at large, some plants have better filters and cause less harm, while others have little stack-gas cleanup and cause far more."

https://rlg.fas.org/mwmt-p233.pdf

That's about the number of people who died from Chernobyl, every year. From the radiation from coal power plants.

In India alone it is estimated that 112,000 deaths per year are attributed to coal power plants. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2017936118

320 deaths globally is a drop in the in the coal bucket of death. It's not worth specifically worrying about. Coal as a whole is the problem. Not the nuclear byproduct of coal.

Sure sure, but we are still pumping out isotopes of uranium and plutonium into the atmosphere. We are lucky the effects of radioactive isotopes are generally overblown then, huh?

🙏 I need you to listen to me extremely closely. I am not saying nuclear shit in the atmosphere is good. I never said this. I never implied this. All I'm saying is that the nuclear aspects of coal usage are a drop in the bucket in the massive pile of problems it has. I'm not saying coal is good either.

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