Trump Org. tries to figure out the future of its business after fraud ruling
The Trump Organization is trying to determine the sweep of Tuesday’s ruling that Donald Trump is liable for fraud and what it means for the future of the former president’s namesake business, his attorneys say.
At a pre-trial hearing Wednesday, Trump attorneys said they didn’t know to which part of the company the ruling applied and were starting to work out what may need to be dissolved to comply with the judge’s surprise decision.
Officials from New York Attorney General Letitia James’ office also said they needed more time to go through the order.
The fraud case “changed significantly since yesterday,” New York Judge Arthur Engoron said in court Wednesday, referring to his stunning ruling where he found Trump and his adult sons liable for fraud and canceled the Trump Organization’s business certification.
Unfortunately, the grift will continue. Close enough to half the people of the US voted for him last time.
46% or 74M voters voted for him. Only 29% of 258M US adults voted for him. This same delusional 30% shows up all the time and they vote hard. They aren't 50% though.
This is legitimately enough to say “pack it in.” The american experiment has failed and failed fucking fantastically.
Edit: guys I get it, it’s not half of the country. It IS roughly half of the people who voted though, which is what fucking matters
Would be if it was a true measure but with the low voter participation and him getting less than 50% of what few people voted, he never got more than 21% of the total population to vote for him. That means that over three quarters of Americans have never voted for him and probably never will.
That he got that far with so little of the population voting for him (18% when he "won" in 2016) says a LOT about how undemocratic the system is, though..
Whatever way you do the figures, he was elected once and nearly elected a second time. He’s the most likely candidate for a third term and it’s neck and neck. People choosing not to vote is just as big a problem when one of the candidates is this terrible for the world.
He was APPOINTED once. Elected is when you get more votes than the other candidates.
You mean politicians from both parties alienating prospective voters by representing rich people and their corporations many times more than regular people, being staunchly pro-cop and laughing at the very notion of common sense policies that most of the population wants?
While Biden is by far the lesser evil, him and the other neoliberals are still very much an evil, complicit in the rise of fascists like Trump because they never do enough to resist them or represent and help the poor people who have been fooled by Trump pretending to care about them.
And that's not even mentioning all the voter suppression the Dems make pretty speeches against but hardly ever do anything to actually stop it.
An indirect election is a type of election. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
Voter suppression is certainly a problem but voter apathy is a bigger problem.
An indirect election is one thing, but the EC isn't democratic. Not even close.
And voter "apathy" (more like resignation) is mostly a problem because, with very few center-left exceptions, the major parties only cater to the rich and others with right wing policy positions.
To have nobody who represents you faithfully in Congress or the white House is de facto disenfranchisement, not apathy or laziness.
In the most recent election, as it was an election, trump nearly won. That's apathy, not resignation.
None of the candidates in the republican side can get support over trump. Again, apathy. I'm no saying they are good candidates, but a bucket of vomit would be better than a narcissist who steers the country towards civil war and fascism, only caring about his own enrichment.
There are myriad possible reasons for people not voting, including but not limited to
Voter suppression makes it extremely difficult to impossible for many, especially in the states and districts that Trump won. Voter suppression that the Dems keep promising to do something about.
The disenfranchisement through lack of faithful representation I mentioned
Having no energy left after working grueling hours on election day
Going to college in a state that only allows permanent residents to vote and being unable to return to your hometown for election day
But you just automatically assume that it's the only one that's completely unquantifiable and absolves yourself and your favourite politicians from all responsibility.
That's very convenient, don't you think?
Not at all, but while all of those reasons can and should be addressed, the vast majority of people not voting are choosing not to for other reasons. It's not inability it's lack of will. The reason one side is trying to stifle the voice of the other by gerrymandering and making registration difficult is because votes matter. Yet many people choose not to vote as they think their vote doesn't make a difference. It's apathy more than barriers.
Too tired to vote is not a real reason. There is postal voting in many states. Despite postal voting in some states, and states without the type of problems you cite, voter turnout is still low. It's a big problem.
You're complaining about disenfranchised voters while downvoring comments you don't agree with. I assume the irony is lost on you.
I don't care about Internet points. The whole system on Lemmy is to make posts more visible. You're choosing to stifle conversation.
Oh yeah? How are you measuring the will of people to be so certain?
Again, where's your proof? All the other things are objectively measurable, but you assume that it's the intangible one because that's convenient to you.
It definitely is. YOU try working the equivalent of two full time jobs and take care of a family on top of that, still unable to make ends meet. See how much energy you have left for literally ANYTHING else.
But not all. Most of the ones with the most restrictions on it were amongst the states Trump won. Yet another case of measurable voter.
Because of the many measurable reasons I've mentioned and to a much smaller extent the theoretical one you want to blame it all on for convenience.
Yep. One that can be tackled by addressing the many tangible reasons rather than just yelling at people for unproven assumptions.
Yeah, I'm downvoting misinformation and assumptions based on nothing concrete. That's not disenfranchisement or censorship or whatever else you imagine it to be. Nothing ironic about that.
No, I'm choosing to express my opposition to misinformation using the tools available to me. If I was to downvote someone claiming Trump won in 2020, would you complain about that too? What about someone claiming that vaccines give you covid?
Not all utterances are of equal value. Your downplaying of proven problems in favor of your gut feeling based on party strategist propaganda is misinformation and thus of little value if not downright harmful.
No, you're following a narrative, not data. If people were having problems voting to the extent you are claiming, then we'd have similar voting levels to historical levels in the states with similar rules. We don't. It's dropped.
We'd also have a large decrease in voters in the states that are restrictive or gerrymandered. We don't. It's a measurable reduction and skews to certain populations.
You're claiming facts, while providing no data. Then saying mine is from my gut while the data backs it up.
Heck, you can even stop comparing us states and start looking at the difference between countries. You can even look at the difference in elections that have a president on the ticket and the ones that don't. Which of your reasons so you think causes that discrepancy?
So you're saying that the fact that, in a country with ever-increasing and evermore effective voter suppression, voter participation dropping is proof positive that it has nothing to do with it? What kind of backwards ass logic is that?
Absolute populations are increasing while voter participation as a percentage is decreasing.
Yeah, disenfranchised populations. Still doesn't prove your apathy hypothesis
You want data? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/28/state-voting-rights-election-laws-police-suppression
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/voter-suppression-barriers-college-students/
What data? Not only have you provided exactly as much data as I did before this comment, but you've also invented causal relationships for which there's no proof at all.
You mean other countries that work fewer hours, have a higher minimum wage, have plenty of polling places in every district and just generally makes it much easier to vote than in the US? Gee, must be because voters are less apathetic there!
People are conditioned by the media to believe that presidential elections are the most important ones, so employers and educational institutions are more likely to give employees and students leeway to vote than for "midterm" elections.
I think it's more damning to see how many eligible voters saw his disastrous administration, and still didn't vote.
Imagine seeing Trump on the golf course for a literal year out of his term and thinking, "Yeah, I don't care if that guy wins or loses again."
Imagine seeing 4 years of the kind of damage Trump can do, running on returning to the exact same status quo that made a demagogue like him all but inevitable, and then shaming everyone who doesn't think that's a great idea as indifferent 🤦
I don't have to imagine it, because that's exactly what I'm doing.
If anyone thinks America before Trump was just as bad as America during Trump, they literally don't deserve the right to vote, because they lack critical thinking skills and empathy for their fellow people.
Oh, and PS: your "enlightened centrism" is neither.
I think you're thoroughly misunderstanding what I'm saying. You're definitely misunderstanding where I'm coming from.
What I'm saying is that it's not enough to return to how things were just before Trump, because things were so damn bad for so many people that they (extremely unwisely and in most cases with malicious intent) made TRUMP president.
To go "you know what? We need to do exactly the same things that we had been doing for 30 years when the disaster happened" is absolute lunacy that invites the disaster back.
In case you still can't tell, I'm not a centrist. I'm a progressive who knows that it's no longer 1992 like the DNC thinks but also that it's beginning to smell a lot like 1920s Italy when fascists first came to power while liberals didn't use what power they had to stop them either.
except its not true and you should fact check things you read on the internet before condemning an entire country