Israel says Islamic Jihad rocket misfire caused blast near Gaza hospital

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Full IDF Spokesperson statement:

Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362

Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://bit.ly/3S4xqiG

Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854

Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672

Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984

Looks like evidence has been published, and at least partially verified by OSINT groups (in the linked article)

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Very compelling evidence, especially if it gets verified. They even adressed the question mark of it being more damage than these groups usually do when their missiles hit. It would be very high stakes lying, but then again, this is a high stakes situation. Whoever did that has a lot of innocent blood on their hands.

Lots of Islamic Jihad & Hamas missiles fail during flight and kill Palestinians. Israel had published videos in the past showing e.g. 8 launches at night, pausing the video and showing how 2 or 3 suddenly turn down to the ground to hit the Gaza strip. And of course the local terrorist groups accounted dead Palestinians to Israel striking those locations. It's sometimes easy to show, with visible rocket engines at night and sometimes harder.

It happens all the time. Hamas and Islamic Jihad don't care for civilians or conventions and never did, all they care about is literally "killing Jews". Next question people should be asking: "why are they launching rockets from a hospital's parking lot? Isn't that a warcrime?" And the answer is yes and always has been.

Also note that launching rockets from the hospital makes it a legitimate target and therefore not a warcrime to hit it. Innocents die but it is fair game to destroy it when used as a platform to launch attacks from.

They even adressed the question mark of it being more damage than these groups usually do when their missiles hit.

Can you help me find that bit? I read the article and briefing, but didn't see this addressed.

The Guardian had it in their coverage:

On how a rocket fired from Gaza could cause so much damage he said:

The existence of propellant made a larger explosion than the warhead itself. And this caused the damage, the explosions that we see of the burning cars here.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/18/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-hospital-west-bank-update-joe-biden-visit-protests-latest-updates?page=with:block-652f822b8f085b7fcf67317c#block-652f822b8f085b7fcf67317c

Ah, thanks!

Makes sense, kinda like how the jets on 9/11 also had full fuel tanks.

The existence of propellant made a larger explosion than the warhead itself. And this caused the damage, the explosions that we see of the burning cars here.

I'm not an expert but this doesn't sound very plausible considering the explosion basically leveled the building. Anyone with relevant expertise care to chime in?

What I'm seeing pro-Israel sources saying is that the building is relatively intact and that the explosion took place in a parking lot. Given that Hamas stated "500 deaths" less than half an hour after the event, they also express some skepticism about how true the casualty count really is.

I'll only say that this is a total mess right now and that everything should be seen with some skepticism, especially claims that reinforce what you already believe or want to believe.

What I'm seeing pro-Israel sources saying is that the building is relatively intact and that the explosion took place in a parking lot.

We've already seen the building. It was flattened.

Edit: Apparently no it wasn't.

Honest question, do you have a picture of it? I've been incredibly confused about what the true state of the site is. I just saw a video showing the scorched parking lot with a bunch of burnt cars but no real structural damage to buildings around it.

I just looked up "Gaza hospital airstrike" and looked for images so you'll probably find them, but there.

https://whdh.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/10/gaza-3.jpg

Why do you think it leveled the building? Have you seen such evidence?

I mean yes I've seen a picture of it. Aren't those already on the internet?

Then you've been mislead. It hit the parking lot, damaged vehicles but left the building relatively intact and, besides windows, superficially damaged.

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