Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel

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Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel

Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.

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Most moral army my middle fucking nut. Fully happy to genocide all Palestinians because of the actions of terrorists funded by Israel

A Napoleonic era artillery barrages could flatten Gaza in a couple of weeks. They're clearly not attempting to genocide all Gazans. To believe that requirea the belief that the IDF is the most incompetent military force to ever walk the planet.

They're not attempting to kill them all, but 1.4 million people have been displaced. And they want them to flee northern Gaza, and historically land in these cases is not returned to Palestinians.

That's a fair concern. But this happened in 2008, 2012 and 2014 where mass amounts of Gazan were told to flee certain areas (granted not this massive) and after their ground operations Israel retreated back across the border.

I would argue this is still genocide, just not at a rapid rate:

https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media/press-releases/starvation-as-weapon-of-war-being-used-against-gaza-civilians/

2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!

And that's the fault of their government who started a war. In no other conflict, has there been the expectation that in a war between parties A and B, that A feed, clothe and care for the civilians in party Bs territory that party B militarily controls.

2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!

And that is the fault of Hamas for not properly preparing for this war they started. They had the initiative, they could have stockpiled the basic goods it's civilians would need. They chose not to.

Iran

And Israel. Israel funded Hamas in the past to weaken the peace-seeking PLO. And even now they allow foreign money to reach them. Can't have your boogieman going broke.

the peace-seeking PLO

Lol gonna need you to cite this one because the PLO has denied every single peace deal Israel has offered, including multiple 2 state solutions

How so? The Oslo accords were called off by Israel. And the failure of peace talks in 2014 was confirmed by the US special envoy to be 100% Israel's fault. Camp David is a matter of debate and nobody really knows what happened in 2008 so I won't comment on those, but by my count that makes 2 times where Israel refused peace.

Nothing in your post is citation, and all of it is made up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

As for 08

Hamas and Hezbollah, however threatened violence, especially if either side seemed likely to compromise in order to reach an agreement. As a result, the Israeli government publicly stated that peace couldn't exist even if both sides signed the agreement, due to the stance taken by Hamas and Hezbollah

Some light reading:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process#:~:text=2%20June%202014.-,Abbas'%202014%20peace%20plan,East%20Jerusalem%20as%20Palestine's%20capital.

The quote you’re using is from the 2010-2011 peace talks. The reason those broke down is as follows:

Direct talks broke down in late September 2010 when an Israeli partial moratorium on settlement construction in the West Bank expired and Netanyahu refused to extend the freeze unless the Palestinian Authority recognized Israel as a Jewish State, while the Palestinian leadership refused to continue negotiating unless Israel extended the moratorium.[3] The proposal was rejected by the Palestinian leadership, that stressed that the topic on the Jewishness of the state has nothing to do with the building freeze. The decision of Netanyahu on the freeze was criticized by European countries and the United States.

In regards to Oslo and the 2014 peace talks:

2014:

A deadline was set for establishing a broad outline for an agreement by 29 April 2014. On the expiry of the deadline, negotiations collapsed, with the US Special Envoy Indyk reportedly assigning blame mainly to Israel, while the US State Department insisting no one side was to blame but that "both sides did things that were incredibly unhelpful."

Oslo: Both Oslo accords were signed, however,

the interim process put in place under Oslo had fulfilled neither Israeli nor Palestinian expectations.

This led to the Camp David Accords where the main issues and points seemed to be the following:

the refusal of the Palestinians and Arafat to give up the right of return

Judged from the perspective of Palestinians' and Israelis' respective rights under international law, all the concessions at Camp David came from the Palestinian side, none from the Israeli side.

the Palestinians starting position was at the 1967 borders, but they were ready to give up Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and parts of the West Bank with Israeli settlements. Further, the Palestinians were willing to implement Right of Return in a way that guaranteed Israel's demographic interests.

The proposals were, for the most part, verbal. As no agreement was reached and there is no official written record of the proposals, some ambiguity remains over details of the positions of the parties on specific issues.

The talks ultimately failed to reach agreement on the final status issues: Territory, Territorial contiguity, Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, Refugees and Palestinian right of return, Security arrangements, Settlements

To summarize the 2010-11 peace talks broke down due to Israel not abiding by the terms of the negotiation. The 2014 talks are debated with more blame seeming to be placed on Israel. The Oslo accords were signed but left unresolved and unfollowed by Israel leading to the camp David accords where the main issue seems to be the right of return for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were displaced. However, who actually ended the talks is still debated.

While you actually knowing the events is great, your analysis is really flawed by your biases.

Palestinians have nothing to bargain with. Refusing to even recognize Israel's statehood is a non-starter. It's essentially just a giant "fuck off" sign

Nothing in your post is citation, and all of it is made up.

Lmfao. It was Netenyahu that stopped negotiations when he was elected in 1996.

Also it literally says in the article you sent: "Both sides claim the other dropped follow-up contacts".

Source of where Israel funded Hamas?

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

When Israel first encountered Islamists in Gaza in the 1970s and '80s, they seemed focused on studying the Quran, not on confrontation with Israel. The Israeli government officially recognized a precursor to Hamas called Mujama Al-Islamiya, registering the group as a charity. It allowed Mujama members to set up an Islamic university and build mosques, clubs and schools.

Only a mistake in hindsight though

Not really, since they kept at it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

Oh I'm not including Netanyahu's govt in this. They definitely tried to divide and conquer with predictable results.

Mate it's pretty fucking wild to ask when Israel funded Hamas and only then say you don't count the actual Israeli government of most of the last 30 years

That is when Israel 'funded' them. No one has supplied a source of Israel funding Hamas this century.

There's a difference between funding and allowing funds from Qatar and Iran to flow to Gaza

So then why not say that in the prior comment? You just said "I don't count Netanyahu's government" in response to an article about Netanyahu's government

This was the comment:

And Israel. Israel funded Hamas in the past to weaken the peace-seeking PLO. And even now they allow foreign money to reach them. Can't have your boogieman going broke.

I've seen no source that shows direct funding of Hamas other than the precursor to Hamas that Israel allowed to build mosques and universities, in the 1980's...

I'm also not sure how the Israelis could have prevented Qatari money getting in

Yes, I know. I have read the thread. I'm talking about your comment in which you said that you don't count Netanyahu's government.

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Your source is one retired, self-acclaimed ex-military of Israel who has no proof but just says it is so?

Seriously, do all the claims of Israel funding Hamas go back to this one person?

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