So what I don't get is, does the US not have any mechsnism in place that would prevent this? Like could a party named "We will turn this country to literal fascis and we will kill several minority groups" just...run?
The problem with how to deal with Trump is that up until his āpresidencyā his predecessors had some level of respect for the office and its duties. There were lines you didnāt cross, lines that no one thought needed definition or outlined consequences because anyone that would achieve the office of president, elected by the people, could never treat the position so heinously and with such disregard and irreverence for everything and anything the office stands for. Weāve never had someone in charge with zero regard (and frankly probably very little understanding of it) for our system of government, the constitution, and how/why it was all created in the way it was. Enter Trump and we realize we donāt have the guidelines and practices in place to handle it, because no one had ever fathomed someone like him would be running the country. Iāve said since he ran the first time heās the biggest threat to our democracy weāve ever seen, at least that Iāve seen in my lifetime. Heās a cult leader (but thatās outside the scope of your question) and from outside the cult his influence is mind boggling. Also weāre never given 2 good candidates to choose from, itās always whoever sucks less. And understandably people have serious concerns about voting for Biden for another 4 years.
as someone watching from afar, can you elaborate on the missing guidelines?
seemed to me like there were plenty of tthose that just got tossed aside and ignored/not enforced
Youāre right, he gets away with absolutely everything and has seemed to be above the law, Iām hoping heāll finally see justice through any of the current lawsuits he faces. I guess better wording is that there are guidelines and practices in place for regular people for the various crimes heās arguably committed, the question has been what to do when a president is the one guilty. Thatās a new question for us and many argue itās not as straightforward as ācharge him and throw him in jailā. People think prosecuting a president sets a dangerous precedent politicizing the judicial system, which by definition should be impartial.
Outside of any legal questions weāve just never had someone with absolutely zero decorum. Itās uncharted territory.
I personally feel incredibly helpless and am so sad and scared watching everything unfolding around us.
Iām not sure if that answers much but itās all Iāve got at 4 am!
Its because we did have guidelines in place. They have just been slowly erroded since Reagan. Citizens United was one of the last straws. Now all thats left is blatant power struggles and dark corporate money. We're in the End Game now.
I donāt think we have preventive measures in place so, yeah.
The ones that would exist are undermined. With Trump having appointed many of the judges including the Supreme Court, the different branches that could keep the president in check have lost their teeth. The different states are too independent and different that they could organize against the federal government.. It's rather the federal government keeping some of the states in check. Once that one is gone, you'll only have some states that are a safe haven.
The peoblem is that in the US the "devision of power", which is a key factor for a functioning democracy, is not realy functioning. The fact that a president can just apoint his own judges is realy scary. The whole system just needs a big redo.
The fact that a president can just apoint his own judges is realy scary.
But he can't... they need to be confirmed by the senate... they are supposed to be a check against him. The fact Congress is playing for him, is arguably the scariest part. He either has a bunch of rubes that he can play like a marionette (4d chess) or there is a bubbling fascist element that has absorbed at least a third of the Republican party.
Yes the US didn't realy get the system of "devision of power", which is one of the key factors of a functioning democracy.
The whole system just needs a big reboot.
electoral college has partial mechanism for this, they in theory would have power to not elect the President.
We do. It's called the constitution and whatever liberties we've installed.
The problem is the toothless actions that have been taken, to enforce these things. Too much bargaining, bypassing and bribing.
But if we give them a strongly worded letter or a warning or a caution - that'll get things done! That'll be like telling that child or pet not to do something even though you know they'll do it anyways and once they do it, you go "aw schucks!" before fixing the issue and cycling back again.
Do we have mechanisms? Yeah. Assuming they get enforced.
Could a party so-named run? Also yes. Thatās part of those mechanisms. Isnāt America great?
Mechanisms without enforcements? Do you mean suggestions?
So what I don't get is, does the US not have any mechsnism in place that would prevent this? Like could a party named "We will turn this country to literal fascis and we will kill several minority groups" just...run?
The problem with how to deal with Trump is that up until his āpresidencyā his predecessors had some level of respect for the office and its duties. There were lines you didnāt cross, lines that no one thought needed definition or outlined consequences because anyone that would achieve the office of president, elected by the people, could never treat the position so heinously and with such disregard and irreverence for everything and anything the office stands for. Weāve never had someone in charge with zero regard (and frankly probably very little understanding of it) for our system of government, the constitution, and how/why it was all created in the way it was. Enter Trump and we realize we donāt have the guidelines and practices in place to handle it, because no one had ever fathomed someone like him would be running the country. Iāve said since he ran the first time heās the biggest threat to our democracy weāve ever seen, at least that Iāve seen in my lifetime. Heās a cult leader (but thatās outside the scope of your question) and from outside the cult his influence is mind boggling. Also weāre never given 2 good candidates to choose from, itās always whoever sucks less. And understandably people have serious concerns about voting for Biden for another 4 years.
as someone watching from afar, can you elaborate on the missing guidelines?
seemed to me like there were plenty of tthose that just got tossed aside and ignored/not enforced
Youāre right, he gets away with absolutely everything and has seemed to be above the law, Iām hoping heāll finally see justice through any of the current lawsuits he faces. I guess better wording is that there are guidelines and practices in place for regular people for the various crimes heās arguably committed, the question has been what to do when a president is the one guilty. Thatās a new question for us and many argue itās not as straightforward as ācharge him and throw him in jailā. People think prosecuting a president sets a dangerous precedent politicizing the judicial system, which by definition should be impartial.
Outside of any legal questions weāve just never had someone with absolutely zero decorum. Itās uncharted territory.
I personally feel incredibly helpless and am so sad and scared watching everything unfolding around us.
Iām not sure if that answers much but itās all Iāve got at 4 am!
Its because we did have guidelines in place. They have just been slowly erroded since Reagan. Citizens United was one of the last straws. Now all thats left is blatant power struggles and dark corporate money. We're in the End Game now.
I donāt think we have preventive measures in place so, yeah.
The ones that would exist are undermined. With Trump having appointed many of the judges including the Supreme Court, the different branches that could keep the president in check have lost their teeth. The different states are too independent and different that they could organize against the federal government.. It's rather the federal government keeping some of the states in check. Once that one is gone, you'll only have some states that are a safe haven.
The peoblem is that in the US the "devision of power", which is a key factor for a functioning democracy, is not realy functioning. The fact that a president can just apoint his own judges is realy scary. The whole system just needs a big redo.
But he can't... they need to be confirmed by the senate... they are supposed to be a check against him. The fact Congress is playing for him, is arguably the scariest part. He either has a bunch of rubes that he can play like a marionette (4d chess) or there is a bubbling fascist element that has absorbed at least a third of the Republican party.
Yes the US didn't realy get the system of "devision of power", which is one of the key factors of a functioning democracy. The whole system just needs a big reboot.
electoral college has partial mechanism for this, they in theory would have power to not elect the President.
We do. It's called the constitution and whatever liberties we've installed.
The problem is the toothless actions that have been taken, to enforce these things. Too much bargaining, bypassing and bribing.
But if we give them a strongly worded letter or a warning or a caution - that'll get things done! That'll be like telling that child or pet not to do something even though you know they'll do it anyways and once they do it, you go "aw schucks!" before fixing the issue and cycling back again.
Do we have mechanisms? Yeah. Assuming they get enforced.
Could a party so-named run? Also yes. Thatās part of those mechanisms. Isnāt America great?
Mechanisms without enforcements? Do you mean suggestions?