What are Lemmy's unwritten rules?

NotSpez@lemm.ee to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 266 points –

I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome

  1. Linux (Linux)

  2. FOSS or die

  3. Video content should have been text

  4. Not caring a LOT about privacy makes you a non-lemmy normie

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This mentality is why lemmy has been haemorrhaging users since the July reddit migration.

You guys are some seriously judgmental bellends a lot of the time.

I don't use Linux because I want my life to be simple, I use lots of Foss and lots of non Foss because I want my life to be simple. I'm glad others care enough about privacy to fight for it because that's a demonstrably good thing in the world, but I just want a simple life and don't honestly care if I'm getting tailored ads and Amazon are listening to my inane kitchen conversations.

I don't want to support reddit but you guys (ironically) make it much much harder to leave when there is next to no acceptance here for anyone who's not a Linux expert who pushes for communism and has never used a Google product in their life.

I know I know, I'm everything that's wrong with the world :) x

You objectively need to lighten up. This WAS supposed to be a fun post and you've unintentionally (good faith interpretation) sowed discord here where it wasn't otherwise palpable.

No offense guy, I want you here as much as anyone but this isn't Lemmy.Fucking.ML, c'mon man

I feel plenty light mate. I'm pretty amused by the reaction to be honest, particularly the irony being accused of redditor behaviour by someone who literally went through my posts to make that point.

I'm just slowly realising that lemmy isn't what I wanted it to be, I.e. Reddit without the greed.

Maybe this wasn't the post for my comment but it's done now and I stand by the point I'm making. This joke post does highlight the biggest issue with lemmy imo.

It's funny because it's true I guess...

Less drama please, i meant what i said. Let us know how many months you commit to leave and when we can expect you back and someone will set a remind:me thing or whatever. But none of us are that important singularly so I hope you adjust that cuz its offputting at best

Honestly mate I think I understood about half the post.

I'm not trying to be dramatic, I'm literally just calling it as I see it.

How many months I commit to leave? What?

Adjust what? My opinion?

Being offputting is exactly the criticism I'm making about lemmy and it's current problems. This comment is to my comment what my comment is to this post (if I've understood that part correctly).

Beo?

Honestly, i dont blame you for posting, i blame the OP for creating an instant divide, the tenor of what he requests is "jokey" the he added space for the downer stuff.

Don't get me wrong you guys have valid points but its just annoying that everything is blended into one. That's poor form on the part of the OP, I hope theg see this and do better.

You're aftually fine, we shouldn't need to fight here and I take ownership of my part in that, but you can see from my history i interpreted this (OP's post) as a prompt for funny and lighthearted stuff. If I want the issues and problems and dissatisfactions, I will click on a discrete post about same. Its silly to ask for both in one megapost, everybody's gonna be pissed about having to deal with the opposing side

Thanks and sorry for any misunderstanding/sass on my part

Edit: this is a great example of powerful people setting the agenda and framing things in a monolithic+inappropos way to get the little people fighting and "downvoting"/reducing each other like lobsters in a bucket when we could realize we can knock the bucket over and kill the asshole who set up the bucket that way and take over Crab-People style

It's all good bud, ironically enough this post is the most I've enjoyed lemmy for weeks. Proper in depth discussion is all I want, with people who have opposing views and might make me think about my own.

I love it so much. I am a deep believer in the dialectical

proper in depth discussion

Try and stop us aha ;)

I (OP) just read this. What is it you suggest I do better next time? I couldn’t completely understand from the thread.

So if I were you, I would do two seperate threads

  1. Jokey thread (+ positive)
  2. room for improvement/complaints/sad or angry stuff (- negative)

N'er may the two meet :)

I respectfully disagree.

Joking about our own shortcomings/not taking ourselves too seriously is, to me, a valid form of humour and a nice way of expressing ourselves.

I am sorry that my post was not to everyone’s taste.

You should at least keep that at the very beginning (like the first thing people see so they notice and take it into account)

Thanks for your answer.

In my thinking I had done that by stating non-serious answers also welcome in the first part of the post. Should that have been phrased differently?

You should put it at the very top/start of the post. Like people should immediately see on the first line your disclaimer

Im learning just keep all the toolchain stuff to myself cuz i dont care enough to change people. Got enough to change about me.

I voted up cuz there's is a super non-robus line inherent to this platform where i get down for the most mundane random shit. Like either people have a sense of humor or they freak the fuck out and dont even comment but simply downvote

I can’t help but to feel like this is a bit of an overreaction.

I happen to really like discovering unwritten rules, it says a lot about the place. I also think we all shouldn’t take ourselves too seriously. I am no Linux user, but I definitely respect people who do and have no judgment about it. I really like FOSS and I think it’s important, and I also think privacy is very important and have learned a lot from my time here on lemmy. I do like video formats, however.

What I’m trying to say is, I’m not judging anyone, I just think it’s nice to have a laugh about who we are

It says a lot about the place

I agree, that's kind of my whole point.

Linux is like vegetarianism.

It’s probably awesome and I’d probably give it try, except the fans are trout-mouthed wankers.

Same for the fediverse tbh. I've actually seen people treat it like an exclusive nerd club, then wonder why people are staying on Twitter or choosing Bluesky instead.

Linux is also like veganism as in that nonvegans/non linux users get very misunderstood and unnecessarily antagonised, although the second thing happens to vegans more from my experience.

All this talk about asshole vegans really sounds like those "SJW liberal triggered by facts and logic" videos that got popular around 2015ish.

Well... Lemmy is the place for nerds who understand tech or at least want to understand the tech they're using. So everything you consider opposed to just being simple is pretty simple to the average Lemmy user.

I agree and that's kinda the problem, I thought lemmy would be the place I could replace reddit with, it's just not what I'd hoped it would be and for a very left leaning platform doesn't seem nearly as accepting as I'd expect.

That's not always the case obviously and even today I've had a discussion about distros as I was fed up not knowing what they were, people were polite and helpful explaining which is great, but that feels like the exception rather than the rule when I'm just browsing comments.

I feel like the reddit api drama was a huge opportunity for lemmy to grow but it shit the bed a bit (or rather, the users did collectively) and people like me have left in droves. Reddit has always been circlejerky and it's probably the worst thing about it, but that almost feels like the MO of most lemmy instances.

There's good and bad obviously, I'm not saying lemmy is a desolate wasteland where all users are coders who berate anyone who can't write in python (probably an awful example, not a coder), there's just an awfully strong feeling of "if you don't do what we do then you're wrong" in my opinion.

Ultimately I'm here 5months later so I don't hate the platform by any means, but I'd be nowhere near it if reddit hadn't been so greedy earlier this year. Not enough users and not enough breadth of topics to be properly engaging for a simpleton like me.

Weird, I use linux because it makes my life significantly more simple. I also give it to the elderly for that reason

You're right, that IS weird....

Simplest thing for me is not having to learn something new just so I can play trackmania AND be accepted here. I can play trackmania on windows just fine and I didn't need to learn to set up an OS and work out what distros and the various other tech sounding things I don't understand are.

But being personally offended when someone doesn't use Linux and points out a valid reason is about 80% of lemmy it seems...

Trackmania requires no more configuration than it does on windows, and if you use KDE, the interface is almost identical.

The only thing you'd have to learn is to install steam from the app store instead of from the internet, if you give it a shot, I don't think you'll find it to be as difficult as you imagine.

The full steps would be

install linux mint (if you have no preference that's the easiest distro) > open app store > install steam > install trackmania from steam > hit play

edit: just tested it to verify, yeah, trackmania required no additional setup or anything from the standard windows version

Installing linux is a 15 minute process, the only hard part is getting a flash drive, and you only have to do it once, once you have that flash drive you can do it easily endlessly.

I highly recommend trying it out, linux is significantly easier to use and has significantly less maintenance burden. That's why I give it to the elderly, they've all said it makes their lives significantly easier, and none of them have switched back.

Plus, even on a windows machine, the first thing you should do is reinstall the operating system when you get one, especially for second hand machines. Every single major manufacturer puts a bunch of garbage on the computer some of which is nearly impossible to remove without a reinstall, considering you already should do this anyway, it makes it a much easier pill to swallow.

some examples of how linux is easier:

  1. Your computer won't forcibly restart for updates, ever
  2. Your computer is never doing anything in the background that you don't ask it to do, so you don't have to worry about if the power cuts off, whether your machine will still work.
  3. All of the updates are centralized so you don't have to worry about various updaters
  4. All of the installations are centralized so you don't have to worry about using all of the various installers windows has, making sure not to enable it installing extra crap, etc
  5. Guaranteed no cruft that slows your machine down every time, you don't have to go through uninstalling a bunch of crap
  6. Centralization means unless you do something very strange you never have to deal with malware

There's other things, but I have found that these few things make a significant difference, especially for the elderly.

I would consider it unwise to avoid learning about a machine you regularly have to interact with, you'll only make your life more difficult in various, impossible to observe ways from the other side. I guarantee the only difficult step will be the first install.

Wow that is a lot of words that I'm not gonna read. I have no interest in Linux, I had a curiosity when I joined Lemmy but the typical user just makes me want to not be counted among them. I know there are plenty of good ones too but so many just want to ram their opinion down your throat and judge you as a worse human being if you're happy with Windows.

Thanks for the effort, but I just don't give a shit. Windows works perfectly for me and if something works more perfectly I'm 100% happy living in ignorance anyway.

In a nutshell: Nah I'm good :) x

How do you know you're happy with windows if you choose to live in ignorance?

What if windows does a ton of annoying things that you're simply used to and accept as a part of life, that you're missing out on fixing completely because you've chosen ignorance?

I don't think you should say that you're happy with windows if you've never investigated any other options, you really just don't know, and it's not shameful to not know or not care, but if you say you're happy with something, that implies a level of knowledge that you don't have.

If someone was proudly ignorant of a topic you cared about, would you not, understandably, be annoyed when they give their opinions founded entirely upon ignorance?

I think that might be what you're seeing here, sorry if this is an upsetting post, but, I just want to make sure you understand how that sounds to the people who did bother to not be ignorant. I'm ignorant of many things, and I choose not to comment on those things or claim to know things about those things, because I know what I don't know, I think it's wise to do that.

Furthermore a number of people have a genuine emotional investment in FOSS that you may not understand, there are good reasons for this, the world would be a significantly better place if FOSS was the norm, for example, in electron microscopy, there are perfectly good electron microscopes that are no longer supported by their companies, forced to run windows 95 and that can never be updated because of proprietary software, the only way of updating these would be to spend literal millions of dollars on this. There's various aspects of healthcare that would be dramatically improved by FOSS being the norm, when you know many many things like this, people often form an emotional attachment to these things that you may not understand from a position of ignorance, and that seem unreasonable. It's often helpful to find common ground with people, rather than be proudly ignorant.

Especially for marginalized groups, FOSS could be a huge benefit, as an example, when the holocaust occurred, the nazis turned to companies to get information from people, in the modern era, could microsoft be used by a government not interested in your best interests to corral you and kill you? Yes, absolutely, even if this is unlikely, it's something that couldn't happen AT ALL with foss, ever.

I don't care if you use linux or not at the end of the day, but I do hope you understand that these people have a genuine, reasonable emotional attachment to FOSS that makes them behave in unreasonable ways when it is challenged. Especially when countless people who are completely ignorant of the problem tell them it doesn't matter on a regular basis, this is an extremely common, compounding annoyance for the community of FOSS enthusiasts.

I hope that makes sense, and doesn't anger you, I just want you to understand where all of this emotional stuff comes from.

Oh look another essay I won't read. This is exactly the shit I meant mate. Stop trying to ram your own opinion down my perfectly happy throat.

Try to consider the fact that I don't care enough about my PC to try and optimise every aspect and that maybe some people have a different view of the world to you, it's not something you need to be upset by.

Imagine what you could have done with the time you spent writing two mini essays nobody will read. Feel free to write a 3rd but the response will be the same. Take care :) x

Try to consider the fact that I don’t care enough about my PC to try and optimise every aspect and that maybe some people have a different view of the world to you, it’s not something you need to be upset by.

If you read what I wrote instead of assuming what I wrote, you'd understand that your response makes literally no sense in response to what I wrote, I was trying to make you see why people might be emotionally attached to these issues. Why reply to what you won't read? Why comment on things when you don't care what others think?

Odd that you decided to be rude to me when you don't even know what I said. Or do you hate the idea of having a dialogue, in which case, why post anything at all?

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