What are Lemmy's unwritten rules?

NotSpez@lemm.ee to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 266 points –

I’ll start. Non serious answers also welcome

  1. Linux (Linux)

  2. FOSS or die

  3. Video content should have been text

  4. Not caring a LOT about privacy makes you a non-lemmy normie

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5. We don't talk about Reddit here. Except when we do.
6. [De]federation is srs bizniz.
7. Seize the means of production computation.
8. People from that instance over there are bad.

Ay yo FUCK that instance tho fr

I only hate Lemmy.ml or whatever its instance is cuz they banned me "for no reason".

I think it was related to vaccuums, they wanted to clean up the place and thats hard to do when guys are jizzing in vaccuum s i guess...?

Edit: also, for all i know vacuums are manufactured in Malaysia (ML?) and the communist government "forced" their bloody hands on it. Still doesn't make for a free and purely rational discussion forum.

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  1. If you get kicked from an instance, upon joining a new instance, make your first post a furious comment on the admins/mods/hivemind of the instance that kicked you, completely forgetting we can all see the modlog.

Can you show it to me for me+Lemmy.ML im legit curious about why they put a pin in me. I have zero pride about me/it despite my recent post concerning same. I'm judt pissed i nvr found out what did it but I'm curious/desirous of finding out and Lemmy can hold my feet to the fire Re:holding myself accountable if its a real reason and not some of the ideological bullcrap they've been accused of

Firefox: yes.

Chrome: no.

Brave: lord no.

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Your YouTube link should have been a Piped link but it's okay.

You're free to enjoy the lemmit.online content, but don't interact with it or you will appear confused.

Don't stress about upvotes/downvotes-- They're even more made up here than usual.

Never pass up an opportunity to bitch about ads, Chrome, Reddit, capitalism, Arch users, streaming services, or your favorite Lemmy client.

Do not attempt the Picard Maneuver unless you're sure you know what you're doing.

Which Picard maneuver, though?

The short jump one or the straightening uniform one?

can we be the internet community that doesn't pretend we're a tight knit group with injokes and 'right' opinions?

there's already enough of those and I hate navigating their dumb shit.

It's a bit late for that. It's already everywhere, and it's terrible.

Tildes is super strict against that, I got banned for making a joke about wine jelly being rendered into candy

WineGums

Banned!

Also, JAIL! Belive it or not...

yeah those unwritten rules are why i hardly want to tell anyone about this site. its a bunch of comp sci nerds that finally have a platform to talk to be mildly social

and the humor is very par for course of compsci nerds. dumb, contrived, an obscure reference with a random jpeged gif in the background, etc. not funny.

I have to fight you on the not funny take. I disagree and my oeuvre demonstrates that to the contrary in my respectful submission

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everytime elon musk so much as farts, it must be posted to at least 10 different communities here and discussed at length

With 400 permutations of "Fuck this clown" and "how can I block mentions of him" in the comments.

Unfortunately, shitty billionaires make the news. Get rid of billionaires and they won't be in the news.

oh cool, i'll just eliminate billionaires then, that's pretty easy for me to do.

Hey I'm just writing the rules down, not telling you you shouldn't be annoyed by them.

18: Don't feed the tankies
19: if you didn't like Star Trek before, go to Risa and count the lights till you do

Were going to find Geordie a girlfriend if it kills us.

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Linux is bloat, I'm training the ants in a giant maze, got Doom running on it last weekend.

If a post from the Linux communities pops up on your feed, it is your duty as a Windows user to comment "wELL I dOn't HavE tHAt prOBleM bECauSE I uSe wINdOws" to stop Linux users commenting the opposite on every fucking thread about Windows

But whatever they do they should not use the word it's in their comment, or else we see something like itAಠ€'s ... and thattAಠ€'s harder to read.

Future Oscar winning movie Barbie is the only permitted commercial interest on Lemmy.

And the occasional Wolf of Wallstreet plug, if we mention Margot Robbie’s nude scene

Suspiciously named user, I literally plug all of my movies on this social media platform. Except the first Suicide Squad. And Terminal.

Also, that's esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!

Except the first Suicide Squad.

The heck? That movie's trailer slaps hard.

Unfortunately, somebody thought it was a good idea to edit the entire movie like the trailer...

Also, Jared Leto(🤮).

that time he sent you a fucking pig carcass is so fucking deranged

Good call on Terminal. Not the call to star in it, but to pretend it never happened. Also, no need to specify between Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad, the second one had the The in the title suggesting that it is The one that counts.

When ‘you’ win an oscar I will probably add it to the title, but thanks for the suggestion. ;)

  • no fucking swearing
  • no paying for content if it can be pirated
  • cats are our overlords

Bend the knee to cats, the only true masters of humanity! (and also download a fucking car)

Even if you could download a car someone would find a way to nickle and dime you to death with maintenance and insurance. c/fuckcars! or gtfo

Edit cause I don't know how to link communities lol. That didn't work as intended.

Well, can I download a bicycle then?

Technically yes. There's lots of open source plans online to build your own bicycle.

But even hypothetically a bike would be preferable to a car for everyone involved.

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Beans

No poop challenge.

I almost forgot about this

Please, wat IS this lol

The first truly viral Lemmy post, I believe. It was a thing to behold. Post over in !asklemmy@lemmy.ml from a guy asking how to not poop for three days but being extremely mysterious about the reasons why.

Did we ever find out why, in the end? Idk but I have chosen to enjoy the mystery.

I already lose track of whether this led directly to the bean craze or if the bean craze was unrelated, but they happened very close together!

Unfortunately seems like the original post has been deleted and now I am sad.

U have the link? I thought that was a Reddit thing?

Like I said the OP seems to have been deleted although turns out you can still see the comments at https://old.lemmy.world/post/440073 which should give you a general idea. Bear in mind most people had been on Lemmy for just a few days at this point.

O my god, amazing! I wish someone would create an APP that you add the lemmy url to and it finds a way to store the page data and export it for retention. I hate i can't keep amazing posts

Chrome BAD, Firefox GOOD. If you disagree, you are WRONG.

If you disagree, you are WRONG.

This only applies until Chrome gets rid of the adblockers next year, if you decide to stay with Chrome I confidently think that you are wrong.

Mandatory Spez hate

Does he have any redeeming narrative or side?

Idk, we just hate him because he got rid of third party apps since it's so expensive to use the Reddit API now

People like me flocked to alternatives afterwards, which is why I'm now called "Resol van Lemmy"

FOSS but also no ads. And don't harvest any data to sell either.

I genuinely don't understand where revenue streams are meant to come from for any of this software with peoples expectations.

But honestly Lemmy is so pro piracy that it doesn't really matter if you were to charge for your product

I don't think those people want revenue to exist, as in everything and all should be free forever and always.

People being mad at youtube for trying to force people to pay for the insanely expensive service they are providing was/is strange to me, on a similar note.

For FOSS, it's sort of given in the name though. If it's not free, it wouldn't be FOSS, and companies like Google and Facebook have permanently destroyed most people trust in ads not also being paired with data harvesting. Other than offering paid tech support, it's difficult to find a non intrusive way to get money.

People want prefer a tiny icon in the description where the author(s) ask for donations, but don't they dare pop up donations to ask for donations though!

Nobody has a problem paying, people have a problem with Google tracking and selling off their shit

The internet existed for a long time prior to monetization of it. People used to do things because they were good ideas, fun, or helpful.

Revenue streams made things worse.

I think it's a pretty bold statement to claim that the Internet today is worse than it was 20 years ago before things were being monetised.

People still do stuff just for the sake of it. To be fun, helpful, whatever. However to expect things to just be done for us out of the kindness of people's hearts I think is bordering on entitled.

However to expect things to just be done for us out of the kindness of people's hearts I think is bordering on entitled.

Yes, there are people who do that, but there are many more people in the FOSS world who don't expect anything and instead contribute.

Focusing on the entitled people won't make you happy, reagardless the topic.

If you are an arch user, like myself, you must announce it at every opportunity.

Also, mandatory GNOME hate.

I feel its almost like you all shoukld just stop presenting your OS bona fides unless its 1) solicited explicitly + 2) its explicitly relevant to the conversation even if 1) is not fulfilled

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Always link the source if you post a comic, article, ...

Yep, It's important... Actually everyone just copy @crul@lemm.ee even me.LMAO

Each community, at some point in time, has to have someone with severe a case of Main Character Syndrome make a post that refers to another post where their feelings got hurt cuz their initial post didn't get the exact kind of attention they wanted, which then results in a total shit fit in the comments.

I've seen it happen numerous times in my short time on Lemmy. Especially on !memes@lemmy.ml.

People need to learn how to just suck it up and move on ffs. I swear it's the r*dditard mentality leaking in here.

Reddit has this too. Especially on subs with younger audiences... Or really old entitled audiences.

42: Always know where your towel is.

43: Star Trek memes or you're the next away mission's red shirt.

I'm more of a TNG guy so I'll be fine in a red shirt.

Don't you dare consider the nuance of any topic, political or otherwise.

Honestly, kinda true. Point out that someone is using a grifter with bad oversimplifications to support a political position you otherwise agree with? You're on the other side and want children dead.

Not as bad as reddit though.

It's just as bad as reddit, just way less people in general.

I think it's way worse. At least on Reddit you can find smaller niche subs that are full of serious-minded, intelligent and well-informed users who have no time for pure amateur hour bullshit. R/askhistorians would be the premiere example, but there are a lot of others.

It's only on the big lightly-moderated subreddits that your signal-to-noise ratio really goes to shit, whereas all of Lemmy seems to be awash in teenage level discourse.

Hopefully it gets better as its user sse expands and diversifies into more tightly-focused and heavily-moderated instances.

May i speak to you for a moment about Linux our great savior?

I mean, you probably should in order to observe unwritten rule no 1

There will never be an end to religious arguments in Computerland.

Are there other people enforcing Rule 3 or am I just aggressive enough about it that it made such an impression?

Either way, I'm pleased.

I see a fair few comments about this quite frequently, and I completely agree - there's a lot of video content that is better off as a written piece. Not everyone wants to sit through 10-15 mins of video that they could have skimmed or read in 2

Send it to one of those people who make you read their life story before showing you the recipe. They'll turn it into 30.

I make videos and still think they're an unsuitable format for at least 90% of the stuff they get used for.

Please cite these rules (eg Rule #3 blah blah blah). Orherwise, I and others who werent there have no idea what youre talking about and its de facto unrelatable or insccessible

The OP lists four numbered rules.

XD, i thought it was some meme or other highly-siloed knowledge base lol. This is why I engage ;)

Be sure to recommend Arch based Linux to absolute newbies

Edit: this actually happened to me here

Are u typing this comment in your Firefox browser running in Arch? If not, you should...

EVERYTHING done/said by conservative politicians is TERRIBLE. Even if this thing is okay, THEY WERE BAD THAT TIME and that's what we're going to talk about NOW. COMMENCE THE AIRING OF THE GRIEVANCES.

I don't entirely disagree, but do we need to do the rage thread every time?

I think it would be more helpful for knowledgeable conservatives to stop engaging in bad faith campaigns like "Wokeism" whatever the fuck that is. Its called

Don't be a fucking [raging] asshole, be a decent neighbor and person and all concern from every side regarding wokeism will evaporate.

Edit: also, drop the stupid "War on Christmas" horseshit. Donald Trump formally won that war, so sayeth him and Fox News. Move out, boys, that task force/cultural narrative can be safely put to bed. Fuck

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Always refer to the whole of threadiverse as ‘Lemmy”.

(Hello from kbin)🙂

To be fair, I think this is quite understandable

This mentality is why lemmy has been haemorrhaging users since the July reddit migration.

You guys are some seriously judgmental bellends a lot of the time.

I don't use Linux because I want my life to be simple, I use lots of Foss and lots of non Foss because I want my life to be simple. I'm glad others care enough about privacy to fight for it because that's a demonstrably good thing in the world, but I just want a simple life and don't honestly care if I'm getting tailored ads and Amazon are listening to my inane kitchen conversations.

I don't want to support reddit but you guys (ironically) make it much much harder to leave when there is next to no acceptance here for anyone who's not a Linux expert who pushes for communism and has never used a Google product in their life.

I know I know, I'm everything that's wrong with the world :) x

You objectively need to lighten up. This WAS supposed to be a fun post and you've unintentionally (good faith interpretation) sowed discord here where it wasn't otherwise palpable.

No offense guy, I want you here as much as anyone but this isn't Lemmy.Fucking.ML, c'mon man

I feel plenty light mate. I'm pretty amused by the reaction to be honest, particularly the irony being accused of redditor behaviour by someone who literally went through my posts to make that point.

I'm just slowly realising that lemmy isn't what I wanted it to be, I.e. Reddit without the greed.

Maybe this wasn't the post for my comment but it's done now and I stand by the point I'm making. This joke post does highlight the biggest issue with lemmy imo.

It's funny because it's true I guess...

Less drama please, i meant what i said. Let us know how many months you commit to leave and when we can expect you back and someone will set a remind:me thing or whatever. But none of us are that important singularly so I hope you adjust that cuz its offputting at best

Honestly mate I think I understood about half the post.

I'm not trying to be dramatic, I'm literally just calling it as I see it.

How many months I commit to leave? What?

Adjust what? My opinion?

Being offputting is exactly the criticism I'm making about lemmy and it's current problems. This comment is to my comment what my comment is to this post (if I've understood that part correctly).

Beo?

Honestly, i dont blame you for posting, i blame the OP for creating an instant divide, the tenor of what he requests is "jokey" the he added space for the downer stuff.

Don't get me wrong you guys have valid points but its just annoying that everything is blended into one. That's poor form on the part of the OP, I hope theg see this and do better.

You're aftually fine, we shouldn't need to fight here and I take ownership of my part in that, but you can see from my history i interpreted this (OP's post) as a prompt for funny and lighthearted stuff. If I want the issues and problems and dissatisfactions, I will click on a discrete post about same. Its silly to ask for both in one megapost, everybody's gonna be pissed about having to deal with the opposing side

Thanks and sorry for any misunderstanding/sass on my part

Edit: this is a great example of powerful people setting the agenda and framing things in a monolithic+inappropos way to get the little people fighting and "downvoting"/reducing each other like lobsters in a bucket when we could realize we can knock the bucket over and kill the asshole who set up the bucket that way and take over Crab-People style

It's all good bud, ironically enough this post is the most I've enjoyed lemmy for weeks. Proper in depth discussion is all I want, with people who have opposing views and might make me think about my own.

I love it so much. I am a deep believer in the dialectical

proper in depth discussion

Try and stop us aha ;)

I (OP) just read this. What is it you suggest I do better next time? I couldn’t completely understand from the thread.

So if I were you, I would do two seperate threads

  1. Jokey thread (+ positive)
  2. room for improvement/complaints/sad or angry stuff (- negative)

N'er may the two meet :)

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I can’t help but to feel like this is a bit of an overreaction.

I happen to really like discovering unwritten rules, it says a lot about the place. I also think we all shouldn’t take ourselves too seriously. I am no Linux user, but I definitely respect people who do and have no judgment about it. I really like FOSS and I think it’s important, and I also think privacy is very important and have learned a lot from my time here on lemmy. I do like video formats, however.

What I’m trying to say is, I’m not judging anyone, I just think it’s nice to have a laugh about who we are

It says a lot about the place

I agree, that's kind of my whole point.

Im learning just keep all the toolchain stuff to myself cuz i dont care enough to change people. Got enough to change about me.

I voted up cuz there's is a super non-robus line inherent to this platform where i get down for the most mundane random shit. Like either people have a sense of humor or they freak the fuck out and dont even comment but simply downvote

Linux is like vegetarianism.

It’s probably awesome and I’d probably give it try, except the fans are trout-mouthed wankers.

Same for the fediverse tbh. I've actually seen people treat it like an exclusive nerd club, then wonder why people are staying on Twitter or choosing Bluesky instead.

Linux is also like veganism as in that nonvegans/non linux users get very misunderstood and unnecessarily antagonised, although the second thing happens to vegans more from my experience.

All this talk about asshole vegans really sounds like those "SJW liberal triggered by facts and logic" videos that got popular around 2015ish.

Well... Lemmy is the place for nerds who understand tech or at least want to understand the tech they're using. So everything you consider opposed to just being simple is pretty simple to the average Lemmy user.

I agree and that's kinda the problem, I thought lemmy would be the place I could replace reddit with, it's just not what I'd hoped it would be and for a very left leaning platform doesn't seem nearly as accepting as I'd expect.

That's not always the case obviously and even today I've had a discussion about distros as I was fed up not knowing what they were, people were polite and helpful explaining which is great, but that feels like the exception rather than the rule when I'm just browsing comments.

I feel like the reddit api drama was a huge opportunity for lemmy to grow but it shit the bed a bit (or rather, the users did collectively) and people like me have left in droves. Reddit has always been circlejerky and it's probably the worst thing about it, but that almost feels like the MO of most lemmy instances.

There's good and bad obviously, I'm not saying lemmy is a desolate wasteland where all users are coders who berate anyone who can't write in python (probably an awful example, not a coder), there's just an awfully strong feeling of "if you don't do what we do then you're wrong" in my opinion.

Ultimately I'm here 5months later so I don't hate the platform by any means, but I'd be nowhere near it if reddit hadn't been so greedy earlier this year. Not enough users and not enough breadth of topics to be properly engaging for a simpleton like me.

Weird, I use linux because it makes my life significantly more simple. I also give it to the elderly for that reason

You're right, that IS weird....

Simplest thing for me is not having to learn something new just so I can play trackmania AND be accepted here. I can play trackmania on windows just fine and I didn't need to learn to set up an OS and work out what distros and the various other tech sounding things I don't understand are.

But being personally offended when someone doesn't use Linux and points out a valid reason is about 80% of lemmy it seems...

Trackmania requires no more configuration than it does on windows, and if you use KDE, the interface is almost identical.

The only thing you'd have to learn is to install steam from the app store instead of from the internet, if you give it a shot, I don't think you'll find it to be as difficult as you imagine.

The full steps would be

install linux mint (if you have no preference that's the easiest distro) > open app store > install steam > install trackmania from steam > hit play

edit: just tested it to verify, yeah, trackmania required no additional setup or anything from the standard windows version

Installing linux is a 15 minute process, the only hard part is getting a flash drive, and you only have to do it once, once you have that flash drive you can do it easily endlessly.

I highly recommend trying it out, linux is significantly easier to use and has significantly less maintenance burden. That's why I give it to the elderly, they've all said it makes their lives significantly easier, and none of them have switched back.

Plus, even on a windows machine, the first thing you should do is reinstall the operating system when you get one, especially for second hand machines. Every single major manufacturer puts a bunch of garbage on the computer some of which is nearly impossible to remove without a reinstall, considering you already should do this anyway, it makes it a much easier pill to swallow.

some examples of how linux is easier:

  1. Your computer won't forcibly restart for updates, ever
  2. Your computer is never doing anything in the background that you don't ask it to do, so you don't have to worry about if the power cuts off, whether your machine will still work.
  3. All of the updates are centralized so you don't have to worry about various updaters
  4. All of the installations are centralized so you don't have to worry about using all of the various installers windows has, making sure not to enable it installing extra crap, etc
  5. Guaranteed no cruft that slows your machine down every time, you don't have to go through uninstalling a bunch of crap
  6. Centralization means unless you do something very strange you never have to deal with malware

There's other things, but I have found that these few things make a significant difference, especially for the elderly.

I would consider it unwise to avoid learning about a machine you regularly have to interact with, you'll only make your life more difficult in various, impossible to observe ways from the other side. I guarantee the only difficult step will be the first install.

Wow that is a lot of words that I'm not gonna read. I have no interest in Linux, I had a curiosity when I joined Lemmy but the typical user just makes me want to not be counted among them. I know there are plenty of good ones too but so many just want to ram their opinion down your throat and judge you as a worse human being if you're happy with Windows.

Thanks for the effort, but I just don't give a shit. Windows works perfectly for me and if something works more perfectly I'm 100% happy living in ignorance anyway.

In a nutshell: Nah I'm good :) x

How do you know you're happy with windows if you choose to live in ignorance?

What if windows does a ton of annoying things that you're simply used to and accept as a part of life, that you're missing out on fixing completely because you've chosen ignorance?

I don't think you should say that you're happy with windows if you've never investigated any other options, you really just don't know, and it's not shameful to not know or not care, but if you say you're happy with something, that implies a level of knowledge that you don't have.

If someone was proudly ignorant of a topic you cared about, would you not, understandably, be annoyed when they give their opinions founded entirely upon ignorance?

I think that might be what you're seeing here, sorry if this is an upsetting post, but, I just want to make sure you understand how that sounds to the people who did bother to not be ignorant. I'm ignorant of many things, and I choose not to comment on those things or claim to know things about those things, because I know what I don't know, I think it's wise to do that.

Furthermore a number of people have a genuine emotional investment in FOSS that you may not understand, there are good reasons for this, the world would be a significantly better place if FOSS was the norm, for example, in electron microscopy, there are perfectly good electron microscopes that are no longer supported by their companies, forced to run windows 95 and that can never be updated because of proprietary software, the only way of updating these would be to spend literal millions of dollars on this. There's various aspects of healthcare that would be dramatically improved by FOSS being the norm, when you know many many things like this, people often form an emotional attachment to these things that you may not understand from a position of ignorance, and that seem unreasonable. It's often helpful to find common ground with people, rather than be proudly ignorant.

Especially for marginalized groups, FOSS could be a huge benefit, as an example, when the holocaust occurred, the nazis turned to companies to get information from people, in the modern era, could microsoft be used by a government not interested in your best interests to corral you and kill you? Yes, absolutely, even if this is unlikely, it's something that couldn't happen AT ALL with foss, ever.

I don't care if you use linux or not at the end of the day, but I do hope you understand that these people have a genuine, reasonable emotional attachment to FOSS that makes them behave in unreasonable ways when it is challenged. Especially when countless people who are completely ignorant of the problem tell them it doesn't matter on a regular basis, this is an extremely common, compounding annoyance for the community of FOSS enthusiasts.

I hope that makes sense, and doesn't anger you, I just want you to understand where all of this emotional stuff comes from.

Oh look another essay I won't read. This is exactly the shit I meant mate. Stop trying to ram your own opinion down my perfectly happy throat.

Try to consider the fact that I don't care enough about my PC to try and optimise every aspect and that maybe some people have a different view of the world to you, it's not something you need to be upset by.

Imagine what you could have done with the time you spent writing two mini essays nobody will read. Feel free to write a 3rd but the response will be the same. Take care :) x

Try to consider the fact that I don’t care enough about my PC to try and optimise every aspect and that maybe some people have a different view of the world to you, it’s not something you need to be upset by.

If you read what I wrote instead of assuming what I wrote, you'd understand that your response makes literally no sense in response to what I wrote, I was trying to make you see why people might be emotionally attached to these issues. Why reply to what you won't read? Why comment on things when you don't care what others think?

Odd that you decided to be rude to me when you don't even know what I said. Or do you hate the idea of having a dialogue, in which case, why post anything at all?

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I have been curating my experience on lemmy by muting communities I don't care for like politics, sports, some Linux communities, and also I always filter NSFW.

I have never been happier because I don't see what I don't care for.

  • Every thread against people not strictly aligning with Leftist politics will be boiled down to: “There are three types of people: reasonable people who agree with me, crazy fascists on the other side, and lily-livered wimps who can’t pick a side (and are also secretly fascists who just won't admit it)!”

  • Anyone with passable writing skills will be downvoted because creating cogent arguments against them is hard, and heaven forbid anyone see a smart argument that doesn't align with your views perfectly.

  • In a similar vein, people will use the downvote as a "fuck you" button without commenting or adding any value to the conversation whatsoever.

(Edit: Yes, yes. You're all hilarious. I may not have a button to hit, but fuck you too.)

this is written like a lily-livered wimp who is anti-woke and won't admit it

My liver may be flower-scented, but I tend to not paint situations in broad-stoke terms like "woke" that are used to dismiss valid arguments.

You can't disprove a label (especially a vague one that someone else applies to you), however you can very much disprove points.

That sounds like some of that woke socio-commu-liberalism to me.

/s for the oblivious

You summarised my feelings far more eloquently than I managed here yesterday.

Downvote for you!!

But seriously, lemmy feels like more of an echo chamber than reddit ever did to me (which is saying a lot), maybe that's because it's an echo chamber for views i don't agree with and reddit was more aligned to my thinking so I notice it more here, but dear god it's getting harder and harder to stick around.

Don't worry, bud, ive got your right wing right here, despite not being right wing, an american, a frequent voter, or anything....I just apparently am to people so delusional they think a canadian style rational socialist is a fascist.

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Leftists famously don't have uniform views and bitterly disagree on important topics. Some leftists aren't reasonable in my opinion, with many non leftists having better reasoning behind their beliefs. Too many leftists are purity testing assholes, treating leftism with the same elitism that people on Lemmy treat using Linux. I hate elitism, even if you want to limit how big a community is. It's just an unpleasant attitude.

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Poe'e law states that there's no such thing as satire, and that every post that could be considered a joke is actually a display of incredible stupidity

Not really. Poe's Law just states that extremist positions are often impossible to distinguish from satire. It doesn't say that there's no such thing as satire.

That's why I append my sarcastic posts with /s. It's a habit I picked up on Reddit where you could easily see someone posting that same comment, but being 100% serious. The /s kind of ruins the joke, but I'd rather the joke be ruined than have people think I was serious when I said those kinds of things.

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Never say anything that isn't entirely bad about Elon Musk.

Tbh this rule hasn't been an issue for me. I cite him for his quote on politics and I still respect a lot of the geniuses who work for him. I really don't share his views, but ppl can be skilled and still suck with what they're saying. I love PCs and the internet, but ppl will never be binary.

He's a good advocate for Signal so I take the free advertising seriously cuz i love it

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Pretend ai is insignificant

Don't have to pretend. Ask your favorite AI for one example of a 'glittering generality'.

You really do have to pretend that they're insignificant.

They're extremely significant. Overhyped? Maybe, but extremely significant nonetheless. I think a lot of people here have gone "well, if it's overhyped, that means it isn't even vaguely interesting" and I think the real truth, as much as I hate centrism, is in the middle.

What one would think is ai today is not really i. Chatgpt does not understand what it's talking about and definitively can not lead the machine uprising. Straight up neural networks maybe could, but they'd need magnitudes more computing power then we have now. We would need a new ai for it to be practical.

In my experience gpt-s are more like "what are some examples of x" then "can you solve this problem". Because the problems are either easy to google or, for the harder problems, gpt straight up lies or rambles uselessly. A search engine helper, in a way.

I'd rather we put all those MWh into solving real problems, instead of startups. Also; Nvidia, fuck you.

AI is going to significantly affect the amount of people who are able to (or, in a better world, would have to) work.

I think LLM's are on the right track, while an LLM with its current architecture likely couldn't without a ridiculous scale, they do show signs of understanding ( https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-open-ai-balancing-task-convinced-microsoft-agi-closer-2023-5 ), pretending they are nothing more than autocompletes as the people here do is disingenuous, what it does is predict, and while that's all it does, that's also all that makes humans special, the human mind is an object that takes sensory input, and predicts what muscle movements would be best given the sensory input, in fact, our heavy reliance on prediction is the reason magic tricks fool us, the only way to accurately predict things is through reasoning and understanding, we don't know what happens when we scale, and there's a reason experts predictions of when AGI will come are getting closer and closer, right before the LLM boom the average prediction was something like 40 years (based on memory), now it's like, 10.

I consider an LLM to be akin to what would happen if a persons thoughts were immediately transformed into words, without any layer of verification, you think plenty of wrong things, but you don't say the wrong things you think because you have a layer of verification before speech, and it turns out, according to recent research, adding a verification layer to LLM's is extremely potent: https://arxiv.org/abs/2203.14465

It seems, according to this paper, that the trick is to have an LLM generate thousands of possible outputs, and have a separate tool verify their correctness, and then only present the correct output, this could possibly solve hallucination, which is one of the biggest roadblocks to actual intelligence.

While we aren't at true intelligence yet, we are creating the building blocks that will allow for it, and it will happen, and the experts believe it's coming soon, LLM's are not insignificant in terms of progress.

These are tools made of the same component parts as our brain, admittedly, it takes approximately one thousand artificial neurons to simulate a real neuron, but the fact of the matter is, our minds are quite similar to these artificial minds, the artificial minds are just much, much, much, much more simple, it turns out, intelligence is likely a matter of statistical analysis.

When you look at a coffe cup from the side, you know it has a hole in it. Because you imagine, not because it's a reflex.

LLM is basically a point cloud of words. The training uses neural networks and thus pattern recognition. But the llm itself is closer to a database. But hey, sql is also useful for ai (data storage/retrival according to logic).

I'm not an llm expert, by far. But right now they are not much more practical then a find out a bout things helper.

Edit: I do like them. It's been helpful a couple times and i even got gpt4all installed on my computer for fun.

When you look at a coffe cup from the side, you know it has a hole in it. Because you imagine, not because it’s a reflex.

You're looking at this backwards, you know those things because of previous experiences, you predict this might happen due to those.

This is still a matter of prediction, and if that had never happened to you even once, I guarantee you wouldn't look for it.

They're also significantly smaller than our brains and multimodality has been shown to help with reasoning, so, considering they're text only and significantly smaller than our brains, their significantly reduced functionality is to be expected. Especially when you factor in that our brain has verification layers, which have only recently been discovered to work for LLM's, none of them even implement this yet as far as i'm aware.

  1. liberalism > conservatism
  2. firefox > chromium based and yes, i found it the hard way.

liberalism > conservatism

I don't think you know what that word means. I can't even enter a comment thread without someone arguing against liberalism

The word has different meanings in different contexts. That said, unless you're a complete moron, it's usually very easy to figure out what sense of "liberalism" is intended based on context.

What I have no patience for at all are the insufferable idiots who insist that only one definition is correct, and oh by the way, it just happens to be their definition.

What is… the hard way?

Printing out the source code and inserting it into yourself.

I don't make the rules, just how it is.

My father printed the GNU license 100 times, rolled it up and gave me a good beating with it. The only true way to learn about the four freedoms.

I'm a half step away from being a normie and I hate it here

We really need to abolish the concept of "normies" people who categorise people like that can fuck off.

Normal doesn't exist. The definition of what normal behaviour is is too fluid among different social and age groups to fit.

I just don't take it seriously and make fun of it. I think it can exist on the side for the... *ahem*... edgelords. lol

Rule 34. Doesnt exist here

Boy do I have some news for you...

I made a quick slook. Only 1 post per month. (Unless theres more i didnt find)

I dunno man... There's already someone right here in the comments with "yiffit.net" as their account...

My aside:

In every community I see this. There are always folks trying to narrow the community to some cut and dry descriptors—which for them are always obvious.

Sometimes the jab is perhaps intended as a joke. But to my reading it's always a trope, namely the tired fallacy of taking a part as the whole.

Either way, it's myopic. In any internet community, we're always bound to narrowly see what's happening. Because:

  • We can only see the posters, never the lurkers—which far exceed the former;
  • Posters, by virtue of taking the time to post, are most often than not highly opinionated;
  • Our reading is always selective. We're either misguided by the way the comments are sorted, by our mood at the moment, by chance, or simply because we're really bad at reading;
  • Our reading is always biased. Either by our mood, our current situation in life, our upbringing, our milieu, whatever;
  • the list goes on and on and on.

This results in a very reductive view that, although very teasing because very personal and idiosyncratic, is ultimately an exercise in futility. To those already biased, it simply supplies them with fodder to confirm what they already believed.

From afar, it's just noise. Any view on what the community is is but a poor reflection of what the community ultimately is.

Don't comment on anything related to any conflicts immediately East of the Mediterranean lest you wish to be in an ad hominem "debate".

This problem drives valuable content away from the site, unless the lurkers up/down vote based on the value of a contribution (and not their personal opinion) or the mods step in, which is still seemingly rare.

As a (sometimes) lurker, when I see a comment on the middle east I say "wow even if I studied this conflict I would still have trouble having an opinion here" and skip over it+the replies. I also can't tell if the person said something so ridiculous that the ad hom isn't out of line.

I made a comment that started with "the situation is complicated and neither side is blameless"

The first reply quoted that part and said if I didn't agree with their obviously correct position then I must be an ******** (insert some slur)

Ok, thanks for the chat bud.

I frequent Lemmy, Mastodon, and Threads. I feel like this is true in any of the three. Occasionally, I'll wade in, but more often than not I regret it.

This is especially true on Threads where the algorithm sees you arguing with someone saying X and then says "hey, you must want to see more posts that say X." I finally realized that all I was doing was feeding the algorithm and stopped replying.

Don't be anywhere near the center. Don't make any arguments about corporations providing value. Don't try to report violent tankie content. Don't point out that lemmy is just going to end up like forums because of power mods and admins defeding people they don't like. And don't call piracy stealing. People really don't like when you call them thieves.

And don't call piracy stealing.

The companies should make it nice and easy for us to watch everything in one place, in high quality, from any device, for nice and cheap! ...oh, that was Netflix a decade ago ☹️

Pretty difficult to convince the likes of minds on Lemmy to pay $100 for every streaming service in the world - to get a pretty awful experience, when you can get a much, much better experience without giving up your hard earned $$

I will fly my flag high for the free seas 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🚢

My position is I'll pay for it within reason but at some point it's ridiculous. Like I can't really be bothered to pay for all of Apple TV just so I can watch For All Mankind it's not worth it.

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Why are people so obsessed with writing down unwritten rules?

Autism

Just to clarify, I don't think there's anything wrong with being autistic

I’m autistic myself. Unwritten rules are generally far more complex than their written form, and the translation into words loses a lot of information. I’d encourage all other autistics to develop their attention and working memory, and then the unwritten rules will start to become apparent.

Use sentence case and periods. I've seen other communities where omitting periods was fine. Also, try not to use emojis but if you do, do it sparingly.

To label anything and everything you disagree with on the news as propaganda, regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

Believe everything you see on Lemmy, even if it's fake news except if it goes against the narrative.

Judging by the responses you're getting "be negative" is a rule.

Haha thanks, I was starting to notice a trend too

When you do the metaphorical moderation equivalent of running somebody over with your car, just return to acting to normal, no one will care and everyone will quietly suspect the guy in the metaphorical hospital making accusations regardless of how much the metaphorical tire tracks match.

Don't know. I haven't found them yet.