How Popular Does Biden Need to Be to Beat Trump? Not Very.

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How Popular Does Biden Need to Be to Beat Trump? Not Very.
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Given the current state of partisan polarization, it’s unlikely Biden can get majority job approval next year even with the most fortunate set of circumstances. But the good news for him is that he probably doesn’t have to. Job-approval ratings are crucial indicators in a normal presidential reelection cycle that is basically a referendum on the incumbent’s record. Assuming Trump is the Republican nominee, 2024 will not be a normal reelection cycle for three reasons.

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Imagine if the DNC gave democrats a worthy candidate. Then we wouldn't have to strongarm democrats to vote for democratic candidates.

Who?

The problem is sort of chicken and egg: if there were an obvious democratic alternative the party could agree on, Biden would be out. There is no such person, so we get stuck with what we have right now.

Hard to fault the party for not wanting to bruise their most likely candidate in a tough primary, either.

This sucks, but it's not the Democrats' fault: it's our first past the post voting system.

Who would've been better?

If the DNC hadn't shoved Hillary down our throats, Bernie would have certainly won the primary. But on policy the best candidate would have been Andrew Yang.

The DNC would rather lose elections than give us non-establishment politicians.

Oh yes how the DNC shoved Hillary down our votes by mind controlling millions of so called Bernie supporters to not even turn out for him and then throw a tantrum that other voters didn't vote for him on their behalf.

I was under the impression that Bernie was too left even for a lot of Democrat voters, so winning the elections could've been a tough one

And just like that, the party's voters aren't expected to fall in line for a candidate they don't want in order to stop Trump.

Not like expecting them to fall in line would've done anything if you're losing a hefty chunk of the moderates. That's what seems to decide American elections, who can claw more of the middle ground undecided voters to their side.

Not like expecting them to fall in line would’ve done anything if you’re losing a hefty chunk of the moderates.

So "vote blue no matter who" was a crock of fucking bullshit put forth by hypocrites who never intend to follow their own advice if a candidate isn't their very first choice.

I wouldn't think it's the moderates or undecided people that are saying that.

Then you're either not paying any attention whatsoever, or you're gaslighting me. Either way, there is no reason to continue this conversation.

Why would those who are closest to switching or especially those who are undecided be hardcore about always voting Democrats..?

there is no reason to continue this conversation.

I mean I'd really like to hear your reasoning behind your thinking, so that's a reason but if you don't feel like it then sure, probably better to end it here.

I mean I’d really like to hear your reasoning behind your thinking

You have already. You responded by lying and saying that centrists never espoused the "no matter who" rhetoric. Since all you're going to do is lie and gaslight, you can find someone else to do that to.

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Imagine if people who pissed and moaned on this point actually turned out to vote in the primary process that selects the candidates.

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