So these children are driven to work due to poverty right? So isn't the answer to try to address that rather than to say "stop using cocoa harvested by child labor?" Like I'm totally pro-non-child-labor-cocoa, but wouldn't the kids just get other jobs then?
A good start to fixing the poverty is if companies making obscene amounts of money from their labor start fairly paying people in these areas.
🤣... sorry, but since when have any companies paid fairly in any areas?
That is why I'm buying chocolate made in Africa, rather than chocolate made from beans from Africa. That way the value is generated there and not here.
How does one do that?
Does it affect the kids?
Because, being from Africa, they are immune to abusing these kids? They can still source from these farms, no matter where your money ends up.
It's not about child abuse, it's about not making enough money so they need their children to help out. If they get a fair salary, they don't need to exploit their kids for labor.
It's not an either-or situation. Companies should still be criticized and stopped from exploiting children.
their parents also work harvesting cocoa. The reason they are poor despite being working a lot is that they are not paid enough for their work.... by Mars (or Nestle, Mondelez, etc)
Yes, and this is a vestige of the destabilization of African nations by white colonial powers to have and sell enslaved people. What boggles my mind is that paying a living wage to workers would increase the price of Mars chocolate slightly if at all (corporate profits could eat the difference) but the people with the power to make those decisions are like "nope! We could get even more profits by paying less for raw materials!" so they seek and/or create even more disenfranchised workers. Doesn't get more disenfranchised than a 5 year old that has to go to work to help the family make ends meet, but I'm sure the corporate overlords are cooking something up as we speak.
That would imply that first world nations empower them, not engage in societal subterfuge via overt and covert subjugation tactics.
So these children are driven to work due to poverty right? So isn't the answer to try to address that rather than to say "stop using cocoa harvested by child labor?" Like I'm totally pro-non-child-labor-cocoa, but wouldn't the kids just get other jobs then?
A good start to fixing the poverty is if companies making obscene amounts of money from their labor start fairly paying people in these areas.
🤣... sorry, but since when have any companies paid fairly in any areas?
That is why I'm buying chocolate made in Africa, rather than chocolate made from beans from Africa. That way the value is generated there and not here.
How does one do that?
Does it affect the kids?
Because, being from Africa, they are immune to abusing these kids? They can still source from these farms, no matter where your money ends up.
It's not about child abuse, it's about not making enough money so they need their children to help out. If they get a fair salary, they don't need to exploit their kids for labor.
It's not an either-or situation. Companies should still be criticized and stopped from exploiting children.
their parents also work harvesting cocoa. The reason they are poor despite being working a lot is that they are not paid enough for their work.... by Mars (or Nestle, Mondelez, etc)
Yes, and this is a vestige of the destabilization of African nations by white colonial powers to have and sell enslaved people. What boggles my mind is that paying a living wage to workers would increase the price of Mars chocolate slightly if at all (corporate profits could eat the difference) but the people with the power to make those decisions are like "nope! We could get even more profits by paying less for raw materials!" so they seek and/or create even more disenfranchised workers. Doesn't get more disenfranchised than a 5 year old that has to go to work to help the family make ends meet, but I'm sure the corporate overlords are cooking something up as we speak.
That would imply that first world nations empower them, not engage in societal subterfuge via overt and covert subjugation tactics.