Imagine having to get a judge to signoff on any other medical procedure, and it really highlights the absurdity.
...this feels a lot like the death panels a certain sect was screeching about back in 2008/2009
Frame Canada: Wendell Potter spent decades scaring Americans. About Canada. He worked for the health insurance industry, and he knew that if Americans understood Canadian-style health care, they might.... like it. So he helped deploy an industry playbook for protecting the health insurance agency. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/925354134/frame-canada
Damn, a real world example of South Park's Blame Canada!
eh?
“They’re not even a real country anyway.”
/s
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled."
Canada quite literally does have "Death Panels". Regardless of how you feel about the UHC debate that part wasn't made up.
Ontario’s Health Care Consent Act has been on the books for nearly two decades. Like similar laws in many Canadian provinces—and American states—it sets out the process for making treatment decisions when a patient cannot provide or withhold her consent—when she is in a coma and on life support, for example.
America has them too. The above is from the same Slate article you linked.
Maybe don't just pick and choose portions of an article that match your confirmation bias.
America has them too.
I never said they didn't but I will point that America's version pretty much just assigns guardianship and decision making authority to one guardian or another in the case of a dispute. The Ontario version can actually TAKE guardianship from someone and make decisions about care on their own authority.
I'd much prefer a panel if doctors deciding my fate rather than my mother or my father who may be blinded by their own emotions.
Even more if my family members were part of a sect like the Jehovah's witnesses, for whom not even blood transfusions are acceptable. How stupid do you have to be to leave a loved one to die just to follow the instructions given by illiterate people living 2000 years ago? This kind of decisions should be informed but should also have limits around them. Keeping religion outside if this realm should be a very clear one for instance
Wow at the gymnastics and hoop jumping of that article to try to apply a term that does not match the common fear mongering use of the word or even the situation. Classic clickbait headline.
You should listen to the podcast.
Wow at the gymnastics and hoop jumping of that article to try to apply a term that does not match the common fear mongering use of the word or even the situation.
Care to point out the "gymnastics and hoop jumping" in the article? Canada does in fact have Governmental bodies that can and will over ride the wishes of close family and / or guardians even when doing so will mean someone's death. In Ontario that body is called the " Consent and Capacity Board.". That isn't "fear mongering" it's fact and it definitely matches up with the commonly used idea behind the idiom "Death Panel".
I don't need to listen to a 24 minute podcast to learn something that the government of Ontario has already openly talked about.
Lol you want people to read your links while you ignore other people's links. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. The very definition of living in a self chosen echo chamber of clickbait headlines.
Because it's not a death panel when it's a corporation that has a financial incentive to deny you
Instead, I have to wait for the insurance company to sign off on every medical procedure. Not the same, but still garbage.
Imagine having to get a judge to signoff on any other medical procedure
Ehh...I think that's a little different in that they needed a judge to determine who had the right to make medical decisions for her. The judge themselves weren't making the call for what should be done, only if it was her husband or parents who had the right to make medical decisions.
This is more along the lines of my appendix is on the verge of bursting. I want it removed. My doctor recommends removal and is willing and able to do so. The govt says I don't think it's bad enough yet and if you do it now I will criminally charge you. Wait until it explodes and you are at risk for sepsis before I will allow you to undergo surgery, despite the fact I have zero medical experience.
Fair point, I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Related, could you imagine having to ask a private, for profit, organization for permission? The same organization that would have to pay money out?
Imagine having to get a judge to signoff on any other medical procedure, and it really highlights the absurdity.
...this feels a lot like the death panels a certain sect was screeching about back in 2008/2009
Damn, a real world example of South Park's Blame Canada!
eh?
“They’re not even a real country anyway.”
/s
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled."
Slate says hello....from 2013.
Canada quite literally does have "Death Panels". Regardless of how you feel about the UHC debate that part wasn't made up.
America has them too. The above is from the same Slate article you linked.
Maybe don't just pick and choose portions of an article that match your confirmation bias.
I never said they didn't but I will point that America's version pretty much just assigns guardianship and decision making authority to one guardian or another in the case of a dispute. The Ontario version can actually TAKE guardianship from someone and make decisions about care on their own authority.
Regardless of how it works in America the point stands. Canada's "Death Panels" were not a fabrication. The "Consent and Capacity Board" of Ontario exists.
I'd much prefer a panel if doctors deciding my fate rather than my mother or my father who may be blinded by their own emotions.
Even more if my family members were part of a sect like the Jehovah's witnesses, for whom not even blood transfusions are acceptable. How stupid do you have to be to leave a loved one to die just to follow the instructions given by illiterate people living 2000 years ago? This kind of decisions should be informed but should also have limits around them. Keeping religion outside if this realm should be a very clear one for instance
Wow at the gymnastics and hoop jumping of that article to try to apply a term that does not match the common fear mongering use of the word or even the situation. Classic clickbait headline.
You should listen to the podcast.
Care to point out the "gymnastics and hoop jumping" in the article? Canada does in fact have Governmental bodies that can and will over ride the wishes of close family and / or guardians even when doing so will mean someone's death. In Ontario that body is called the " Consent and Capacity Board.". That isn't "fear mongering" it's fact and it definitely matches up with the commonly used idea behind the idiom "Death Panel".
I don't need to listen to a 24 minute podcast to learn something that the government of Ontario has already openly talked about.
Lol you want people to read your links while you ignore other people's links. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. The very definition of living in a self chosen echo chamber of clickbait headlines.
Because it's not a death panel when it's a corporation that has a financial incentive to deny you
Instead, I have to wait for the insurance company to sign off on every medical procedure. Not the same, but still garbage.
It's not the first time.
Ehh...I think that's a little different in that they needed a judge to determine who had the right to make medical decisions for her. The judge themselves weren't making the call for what should be done, only if it was her husband or parents who had the right to make medical decisions.
This is more along the lines of my appendix is on the verge of bursting. I want it removed. My doctor recommends removal and is willing and able to do so. The govt says I don't think it's bad enough yet and if you do it now I will criminally charge you. Wait until it explodes and you are at risk for sepsis before I will allow you to undergo surgery, despite the fact I have zero medical experience.
Fair point, I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Related, could you imagine having to ask a private, for profit, organization for permission? The same organization that would have to pay money out?
Good thing we avoided those death panels.
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