You can’t just throw a temper tantrum and expect to get your way. Diplomacy is required to actually get things done.
Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?
Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite "if we give an inch, we're traitors" issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn't having a temper tantrum. It's being realistic.
So you don’t think our politicians should ever be diplomatic or just when on the subject of immigration reform?
I don't think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.
I wouldn't brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.
So regardless of the subject you want our government in gridlock and our politicians to not get anything done. Got it.
Nope. Please pack your ridiculous strawmen away. You're sounding mighty Republican with your bad faith arguments.
How is that a strawman?
How is it NOT a strawman to pretend that I ever advocated for government gridlock?
If politicians don’t negotiate across the aisle when majorities in Congress are slim then nothing will get done.
Did you or did you not imply that Fetterman shouldn’t negotiate?
I said that nothing good could come from pretending to negotiate immigration with radically anti-immigrant fascists who aren't even PRETENDING to negotiate in good faith.
Three things can result:
No changes
Changes for the worse and nothing else (by far the most likely)
Tiny changes for the better on one or two very specific things in exchange for massive systemic change for the worse.
You're pretending that the GOP is a normal and legitimate political party rather than a fundamentally dishonest fascist movement.
Is your name Neville? Because you're being very Chamberlain right now
So again, you’re saying he shouldn’t negotiate with republicans which will result in nothing getting done.
How is what I said a strawman?
How is what I said a strawman?
By inferring that what I want is "nothing getting done", when in reality I've been very clear that what I want is for things to not get worse.
When you give concessions to fascists, things get worse. STOP pretending that the GOP is a legitimate party operating in good faith.
The GOP as a party supports fascism yes. But individual members of Congress are on a spectrum and can be influenced to vote in our best interests.
That’s why there are almost always some members that aren’t voting along their party lines. It’s happened like this since the inception of our government.
That’s why diplomacy is important.
Just look at how democrats won concessions from the house on the spending bill recently and made republicans look stupid in the process.
That happened because of diplomacy. Your approach would’ve resulted in a government shutdown instead.
Because two comments back you literally said it was non negotiable. What the ever fuck do you want to happen?
I didn't say it was non-negotiable, I said that Republicans have no willingness to negotiate in good faith and as such, nothing good comes from pretending that they will.
Don't misquote me to me. It confirms what I and anyone else reading already suspected: that you're either being dishonest or having trouble understanding plain English.
Ok let's paint all the republicans as one monolithic fascist block. I'll grant you that. What's next? What do you want to happen?
Let me know when you see Republicans try any. I haven't seen it during my lifetime, but hey, there's always this time 🙄
This isn't a let's hash out an immigration deal where both sides get a little of what they want regarding immigration reform, it's submitting to hostage takers for an entirely unrelated issue that shouldn't really be partisan.
You can’t just throw a temper tantrum and expect to get your way. Diplomacy is required to actually get things done.
Who said anything about a temper tantrum? Could you please try and refrain from using ridiculous pro-capitulation strawmen?
Calmly refusing to negotiate with fascists about one of their favorite "if we give an inch, we're traitors" issues because you know nothing good will come from it isn't having a temper tantrum. It's being realistic.
So you don’t think our politicians should ever be diplomatic or just when on the subject of immigration reform?
I don't think politicians should grandstand for cheap points about good faith negotiations with domestic terrorists whose re-election depends on negotiating in bad faith or not negotiating at all.
I wouldn't brag about negotiating with cats about them going vegan either, and that would have a BETTER chance of bearing fruit.
So regardless of the subject you want our government in gridlock and our politicians to not get anything done. Got it.
Nope. Please pack your ridiculous strawmen away. You're sounding mighty Republican with your bad faith arguments.
How is that a strawman?
How is it NOT a strawman to pretend that I ever advocated for government gridlock?
If politicians don’t negotiate across the aisle when majorities in Congress are slim then nothing will get done.
Did you or did you not imply that Fetterman shouldn’t negotiate?
I said that nothing good could come from pretending to negotiate immigration with radically anti-immigrant fascists who aren't even PRETENDING to negotiate in good faith.
Three things can result:
No changes
Changes for the worse and nothing else (by far the most likely)
Tiny changes for the better on one or two very specific things in exchange for massive systemic change for the worse.
You're pretending that the GOP is a normal and legitimate political party rather than a fundamentally dishonest fascist movement.
Is your name Neville? Because you're being very Chamberlain right now
So again, you’re saying he shouldn’t negotiate with republicans which will result in nothing getting done.
How is what I said a strawman?
By inferring that what I want is "nothing getting done", when in reality I've been very clear that what I want is for things to not get worse.
When you give concessions to fascists, things get worse. STOP pretending that the GOP is a legitimate party operating in good faith.
The GOP as a party supports fascism yes. But individual members of Congress are on a spectrum and can be influenced to vote in our best interests.
That’s why there are almost always some members that aren’t voting along their party lines. It’s happened like this since the inception of our government.
That’s why diplomacy is important.
Just look at how democrats won concessions from the house on the spending bill recently and made republicans look stupid in the process.
That happened because of diplomacy. Your approach would’ve resulted in a government shutdown instead.
Because two comments back you literally said it was non negotiable. What the ever fuck do you want to happen?
I didn't say it was non-negotiable, I said that Republicans have no willingness to negotiate in good faith and as such, nothing good comes from pretending that they will.
Don't misquote me to me. It confirms what I and anyone else reading already suspected: that you're either being dishonest or having trouble understanding plain English.
Ok let's paint all the republicans as one monolithic fascist block. I'll grant you that. What's next? What do you want to happen?
Let me know when you see Republicans try any. I haven't seen it during my lifetime, but hey, there's always this time 🙄
This isn't a let's hash out an immigration deal where both sides get a little of what they want regarding immigration reform, it's submitting to hostage takers for an entirely unrelated issue that shouldn't really be partisan.