Lemmy.world Should Defederate with Threads

PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world to Fediverse@lemmy.world – 839 points –

I think it's pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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world won't defederate from the right without a long drawn out process (see Exploding Heads for example). However, if someone posts "Karl Marx is great" or "Communism makes sense" or "capitalism is bad", you'll probably see a defederation before the enter key is hit. (Hexbear).

lemm.ee or lemmy.ml are where it's at. I don't think it's great for power or userbase to be focussed on one instance. lemm.ee has 0.19 and world doesn't despite their junior and senior infrastructure folk from their full 7 week interview process for volunteer positions.

Edit: People are on Lemmy likely because the actions of corporate Reddit went too far. In what universe would that demographic be cool with Facebook...

Hexbear is toxic, and I say that as a communist. I actually came here to escape them after being on lemmy.one.

As you pointed out lemmy.ml and lemmy.ee are still federated here, despite the beliefs of users on the server. Why, I post here about communism all the time and nobody cares.

I only mention this because its why id rather not leave this instance. Hexbear users lead a targeted harassment campaign against me.

But I agree, threads is dangerous to the Fediverse, which is the topic at hand.

lemm.ee isn't left wing, they just don't believe in knee jerk defederation. Check the post on defederation by the lemm.ee instance runner (https://lemm.ee/post/4543536). Very mature, very balanced and very principled. Compare that to the lemmy.world one, and it's a no contest.

I'm a socialist, and while I think tankies have a dumb conclusions (that Stalin and CCP are good things), I have not seen anything I would consider toxic. Seems that people cannot handle large images. Maybe in a world where caps lock is shouting, that's toxic. Not for me though.

Can you explain what a targeted harassment campaign is, and give examples. I've heard many people claim this, but I've never seen anyone provide evidence.

A post I made in an unrelated thread was linked and mentioned in the "dunktank" community on hexbear telling the users there's to come "dunk" on me, followed by personal insults and in one case a guillotine threat.

However, this is not the topic of conversation, and Id prefer us stick to threads federation.

Link, please. I'm open minded but I'd like to see some evidence so I can make up my own mind on this.

I deleted that account and moved here, I just explained that. All of by posts are gone.

Sorry you dont trust me.

Although, as I said none of that is even relevant to this topic

As I said, I've seen a LOT of Lemmy folk claim toxicity and zero examples. The ones that provided examples was weak AF. When it goes past individual cases to a narrative with little backing up, I kind of need to see something substantial to believe it. We all know believing stuff we read online from internet strangers never goes well. We are knee deep in comments here, and comments on any thread tend to deviate. It's kind of the whole charm of things like reddit and Lemmy.

Then go back to hexbears bro you are simping too hard right now

I mean it's pretty obvious I have used my account consistently for months.

You do realise you can support the concept of discussing with people that you disagree with. Echo chambers aren't healthy, or normal, unless you're very young and the internet has always been that way for you.

I also think that instance defedration may become a thing of the past and now, with v19, leave it to the user to decide.

That said I'm fully on board with blocking Threads.

I do agree that this is a good step, but those of us that are concern about privacy arent protected. It will stop the receipt of data on our end, but Facebook will still have access to any posts interacted with by Threads users.

Given their habit of creating advertisement shadow profiles of non Facebook user, that is concerning.

It would, however, all me to migrate to an instance that isnt federated with threads, and block leas savory instances here on Lemmy who arent data concerns.

those of us that are concern about privacy arent protected.

You aren't protected anyway. There is literally nothing to stop Meta from creating an unmarked service to scoop up all ActivityPub data that it can.

There actually is based on how Federation works. Federation only works by caching information between users that are interacting with each other. So the easiest way to do that is not by scraping, but by siccing their millions of users into the Fediverse.

It's why not everyone's lemmy pages look the same depending on the instance

If that really was their end game, they'd just use bots. Much more effective that way.

but those of us that are concern about privacy arent protected.

Google already indexes lemmy and mastodon.

Are we being defeatist about it? Because I don't think the solution to data privacy invasions is to just directly give them all the data straight into their servers.

lemm.ee isn’t left wing, they just don’t believe in knee jerk defederation.

34 blocked servers at current count, not great not terrible.

While I don't generally consider hexbear leftist (they're more militant liberal tenderqueers), I agree that de-federation is usually a bad idea, and should generally be reserved as a last resort for stuff like pedos.

Did you even check what those servers are? Because blocking spam servers is hardly what I would call knee-jerk defederation, but lots of users here are angry at the very idea of defederation because they were led astray and told that federation is something different than what it actually is (they think that it's an open and free platform with no curation or moderation on what servers they're allowed to access).

Hexbear is tankie shit, it has more in common with the right than anything else.

However, if someone posts “Karl Marx is great” or “Communism makes sense” or “capitalism is bad”, you’ll probably see a defederation before the enter key is hit. (Hexbear).

Uhh… !aboringdystopia@lemmy.world is literally “CAPITALISM BAD” on a constant basis and it’s one of the most upvoted communities on the instance. And I don’t think Marx is the one people actually have an issue with, it’s more all the idolization of Stalin, Putin, Mao, Xi and the rest of the gang.