Appeals court allows California law to go into effect, restricting concealed carry in public places
A US appeals court Saturday paved the way for a California law banning the concealed carry of firearms in “sensitive places” to go into effect January 1, despite a federal judge’s ruling that it is “repugnant to the Second Amendment.”
The law – Senate Bill 2 – had been blocked last week by an injunction from District Judge Cormac Carney, but a three-judge panel filed an order Saturday temporarily blocking that injunction, clearing the path for the law to take effect.
The court issued an administrative stay, meaning the appeals judges did not consider the merits of the case, but delayed the judge’s order to give the court more time to consider the arguments of both sides. “In granting an administrative stay, we do not intend to constrain the merits panel’s consideration of the merits of these appeals in any way,” the judges wrote.
Everyone I know that carries does so concealed. They don't care about deterrents or whatever, they're just taking a precaution they hope to never use. Like being mugged or attacked. Source: Texas.
You have far more confidence in people than I do. Hoping to never use it (except perhaps in that drunk fight with my neighbour)? I wouldn’t trust anyone who carries guns on the extremely remote probability that it will help them in a shooting/robbery.
If you're drunk and carrying a gun you're doing it very wrong.
I don’t disagree. Unfortunately your state of mind is not mentioned in 2A.
One of my good buddies lives in North Las Vegas and has his CCW. He calls it a crackhead deterrent. I thought he was full of shit until I visited him, now I advocate for moving to a better neighborhood.
Wouldn't you be less likely to be mugged or attacked if the potential mugger or attacker saw you had a gun? This is sort of what I'm saying...
IMO, a lot of people see the open carrying types to just be people cosplaying badasses. The type that has spent basically 0 time training to use it, outside maybe taking it to a range and firing off a hundred rounds. They see it as a gun to be stolen?
The only time I see open carry that seems to make sense in all of this is shop workers/cashier. I've been in stores that have a reputation based on what they sell to get hit by robbers, and the guy working is carrying outside his belt. Like a smoke shop or liquor store for example.
I'd like to see some actual data to support this. Much like I'd like to see some data that concealed carry actually has a negative effect on crime.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/does-allowing-law-abiding-citizens-carry-concealed-handguns-save
I cannot read that beyond the abstract, so I have no idea what to take away from that or what the actual evidence is.
Furthermore, the author of that piece appears to have a lot of issues with his research if his Wikipedia page is of any indication.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott
That's on me, I thought the damn .gov site would hold the whole thing lol
Can't help you there, again everything I said was my personal feelings on the matter being a Texan having talked to people about it a ton over the years.
You’re more likely to be targeted first in an attack if you have a visible weapon. Similar to how bank robbers will shoot the guards first if the guards have guns. If you have your weapon concealed you may be able to shoot the attacker before he is aware you have a weapon.
As I keep saying, you and the multiple other people who have made this claim have yet to provide anything to back this up in the way of hard evidence. It doesn't matter if it makes sense to you that a shooter would shoot the armed civilian first, but, yet again, when has this actually happened?
You wont find that research because no one wants to do that research. Also how would you? It will always be anecdotal. I can only tell you my experience as a former soldier. I would shoot anyone who i saw with a weapon if i were committing a crime with a gun. It’s just common sense.
"Common sense" is the thing that made people think the sun orbited the Earth for thousands of years. Laws should be based on evidence, not "common sense," which is why it isn't surprising that most conservatives think "common sense" is behind everything they believe.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/sources-of-guidance-on-right-and-wrong/common-sense/party-affiliation/republican-lean-rep/
Why do so many of you here think we should make or strike down laws based on gut feelings?
Also "no one wants to do the research" is nonsense. The ability to do the research has been blocked for a very long time. The government is literally not legally allowed to do the research.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-government-study-gun-violence/story?id=50300379
You and the others here simply want to do what feels right to you regardless of evidence, lack of evidence, or consequences. I'm not talking about any one side on gun issues either. I'm talking about people like you who don't care whether or not there is evidence about the effectiveness or lack thereof when it comes to any law, but especially gun laws when it comes to America.
This isn't a religious country, so why do you want your laws to be faith-based?
(To all of you arguing with me: those links you see above? That's what is called backing up your claims.)
Sorry by common sense i meant my military training common sense would lead me to shoot anyone with a gun if i were committing a crime with a gun.
Squid, we have different views, thats fine but im just trying to explain my point of view. You obviously have me confused with someone else as ive not argued for anything faith based at all. Im not a conservative and you assuming that is probably why youre thinking people are arguing in bad faith. When i said no one wants to do the research that includes the US govt. i gave no justifications as to why no one wants to do research.
No, I'm not assuming you are a conservative. I am saying these "common sense" arguments are faith-based much like a lot of conservative thinking, which is why I am saying it shouldn't be done.
Doesn't it strike you as even a little odd that, despite multiple people telling me that a shooter will take out the armed civilian first, not a single person has actually given an example of this? I'm not talking about a statistical survey, I'm talking about even one example.
The only answer I have received so far from anyone that doesn't rely on "this makes sense to me even though I can't prove it" is the person who says it isn't about a deterrent, it's about feeling safe. And I wish that's what everyone else had said because at least you don't need evidence for that sort of claim. On the other hand, it's a little hard to justify laws based on what makes you feel safe considering that's a big impetus for the drug war.
Most people arent going to research a social media comment to justify a belief that doesnt matter. So no, i dont find it even a little odd.
Thank you for admitting that evidence and data doesn't matter to you when it comes to the law, all that matters is your faith-based belief. That was my point.
Man, people must really love you if you twist words like that. The comment was meant in the general sense not the specific argument we’re having about weapons. Im not responding past this because you obviously just want to argue. Good day.
So in the "general sense" people shouldn't supply evidence for their claims. I see.
Amazing how many people in this thread just twist themselves into pretzels rather than just say they can't back up their claim and just want the law to reflect what they feel is right.
Although admittedly "no one is going to back up what they say on Lemmy because it doesn't matter" is a new one. Why even be in a news community if you don't care about evidence?
Kinda like the "common sense" anti-2a crowd...laws based on emotion not reality...but here is some evidence of why open carry is stupid. It is hard to get a study on why open carry is worse than concealed because there probably isn't enough data out there to prove it deters a criminal... it's not like you can go ask them.
https://youtu.be/fjoF8b5XVow?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/wPEaX4HwWyc?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/idgT9HBiJiM?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/XFvU2sdM0DY?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/lVsKnE0AP6c?feature=shared
No, you're more likely to be the first target and have someone attempt to disarm you. No one should know you have a concealed weapon unless they're trying to kill you. Open carry is idiotic. Showing a gun if you're not in fear for your life to the point where you'd shoot is brandishing, and it's a felony.
I carry daily. The only person in real life who even knows I own a gun is my father.