Imagine a nascent nomadic cult of a fictional kingdom called Canaan, grown and composed of the downtrodden of its society, that when the kingdom begins to encounter problems beyond its control because it does not know how to or cannot treat them, like plagues and disease, the cult begins blaming the rest of society for not worshiping their god, El, enough nor in the right way by their real name, and begin eulogizing killing the rest of society off in extremely violent ways after they manage to survive the plague and disease due to their seclusion.
Imagine then how no one would ever want to admit to being a Canaan because of the risk of getting persecuted when the cult begins to conquer territory, and imagine this happening to such an extent that even the members of the cult, now a full-fledged religion due to its conquests and expansion, denies any relation to said society, making up a story instead about coming from some far off kingdom like Egypt that most people in the region would know of but would not really know the specifics about. It would sound similar enough to already preexisting mythos.
Imagine if this sort of attitude didn't just persist into the "modern" world, but involved offsprings of that very same cult holding power and influence in governments throughout the world. It would be a testament to a cultural unwillingness to overcome its own collective ego and overextended fictional narratives to recognize its flawed conception.
"el" literally just means "god" lmao
So does Allah. Your point?
Yeah. Arabic Christians literally call their God "Allah" too.
It's all the same invisible sky daddy anyway, just interpreted through different hallucinations 🤷
That you've been doing something ridiculous for a long time doesn't make it any less stupid. Quite the opposite.
Also, this is Lemmy, not Reddit.
Holy strawman, Batman!
I'm very far from being a nihilist. I believe in things that can actually be verified. I believe in some people and some ideals.
I just don't base my beliefs on self-contradictory and often batshit insane orders from long dead idiots and wielders of unearned authority pretending to represent a fictional being that's its own dad.
In another comment you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman. And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests like I am in charge of a completely different denomination which I am not even a member of.
you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman
No. There is a shitload of evidence of widespread child rape committed by Christian churches. There's no evidence of me being a nihilist and there wouldn't be since I'm not.
And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests
That was obviously a facetious rhetorical question.
Yes, but there's evidence of athiests being nihilists and claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality, which has led to atrocities. So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians but Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?
So if you're using various Christian institutions as arguments against Christianity, then I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions. Or Nazi Germany (Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not and was only using the label to get votes) who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.
there's evidence of athiests being nihilists
Nope. Not believing in religion is not the same thing as not believing in anything. Far from it.
claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality
Another ridiculous strawman 🙄
which has led to atrocities
Nope. If any beliefs have led to atrocities, it's religious ones. In fact, religion is probably the number two cause of murder after greed.
So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians
No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.
Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?
Correct.
I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions
You could, but you'd be stupid to do so. Those millions died because of politics, not a lack of religion.
Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not
He was and then he wasn't. He was never an atheist, though:
During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. He also criticized atheism.
who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.
Which the worst Christian bigots do to this day. It's debatable whether or not Donald Trump is a Christian himself, but he's referred to groups of people he doesn't like as vermin and his Christian bigot followers cheered.
Ah, but see, if you don't call him by his real name, wackytoodlerpops, you are committing blasphemy by worshipping a false idol. Ergo, free grounds for some chop chop in my cult, at least until we get to the religious stage and actually have to establish a stable society which has to consider things like trade from and mingling with the outside world. That's sort of why Scientology has had to tone down on its fair game policy.
Imagine if this sort of attitude didn't just persist into the "modern" world, but involved offsprings of that very same cult holding power and influence in governments throughout the world. It would be a testament to a cultural unwillingness to overcome its own collective ego and overextended fictional narratives to recognize its flawed conception.
I would say its a testament to the fact that humanity isn't so stupid they will opress the followers of a peaceful religion for crimes their ancestors supposedly commited.
That's a lot of pseudo-intellectual nonsense to mask your obvious antisemitism. The way you snake around your point and avoid naming the religion you are condemning would almost be impressive were it not so awful.
I feel like I'm the only person who actually bothered to read that and didn't just mindlessly upvote it.
I think it's pretty clear not only what religion I'm referring to, but what branched off sects and eventually separate religions I'm referring to. I think it pretty much has a lot to do with being an atheist, although I guess you consider those the ultimate antisemites as well for seeing the world outside of a fictional religious shell.
Which peaceful religion are you referring to? I'm having trouble seeing through all the blood.
Not only are you not the only person, you are the norm of this sad trend.
I think it pretty much has a lot to do with being an atheist, although I guess you consider those the ultimate antisemites as well for seeing the world outside of a fictional religious shell.
If you think Jews should not be allowed in positions of power, you are an antisemite. I literally could not give less of a shit what you believe in. I've been an atheist for most of my life, and I'm not an antisemite.
The peaceful religion I'm referring to is Judaism, the religion thats entire point is to spread good. Before you point out instances of Jews doing terrible things, I am aware that they are capable of wrongdoing like every other group of people.
think it's pretty clear not only what religion I'm referring to, but what branched off sects and eventually separate religions I'm referring to.
So are you referring to all abrahamic religions? If so, you should have maybe just said that instead of writing almost exclusively about the Israelites. Regardless, I still disagree with everything you said regardless of how many religions you drag into it.
Not only are you not the only person, you are the norm of this sad trend.
If all of the normal people think you're a lunatic, you may want to consider the idea that you simply are a lunatic. But you aren't mentally capable of comprehending the fact you're just an asshole, so you say every normal person is just a braindead sheep following a sad trend.
You definitely like your strawmans, but I suppose it should be expected.
You can say that to any argument regardless of how accurate it is. To prove I have misrepresented your point, you have to show how I did that. Simply saying I did does not add anything of value to this conversation.
it is possible I misunderstood what you were saying, or you wrote something unintentionally misleading. If this is the case, please elaborate and explain where the misunderstanding occurred. Until then, I'm going to assume your accusation is simply a method of making yourself look correct without actually having to come up with an argument.
Imagine a nascent nomadic cult of a fictional kingdom called Canaan, grown and composed of the downtrodden of its society, that when the kingdom begins to encounter problems beyond its control because it does not know how to or cannot treat them, like plagues and disease, the cult begins blaming the rest of society for not worshiping their god, El, enough nor in the right way by their real name, and begin eulogizing killing the rest of society off in extremely violent ways after they manage to survive the plague and disease due to their seclusion.
Imagine then how no one would ever want to admit to being a Canaan because of the risk of getting persecuted when the cult begins to conquer territory, and imagine this happening to such an extent that even the members of the cult, now a full-fledged religion due to its conquests and expansion, denies any relation to said society, making up a story instead about coming from some far off kingdom like Egypt that most people in the region would know of but would not really know the specifics about. It would sound similar enough to already preexisting mythos.
Imagine if this sort of attitude didn't just persist into the "modern" world, but involved offsprings of that very same cult holding power and influence in governments throughout the world. It would be a testament to a cultural unwillingness to overcome its own collective ego and overextended fictional narratives to recognize its flawed conception.
"el" literally just means "god" lmao
So does Allah. Your point?
Yeah. Arabic Christians literally call their God "Allah" too.
It's all the same invisible sky daddy anyway, just interpreted through different hallucinations 🤷
That you've been doing something ridiculous for a long time doesn't make it any less stupid. Quite the opposite.
Also, this is Lemmy, not Reddit.
Holy strawman, Batman!
I'm very far from being a nihilist. I believe in things that can actually be verified. I believe in some people and some ideals.
I just don't base my beliefs on self-contradictory and often batshit insane orders from long dead idiots and wielders of unearned authority pretending to represent a fictional being that's its own dad.
In another comment you kept linking Christianity with paedophilia, which is a big strawman. And trying to ask me why I didn't drown nonce priests like I am in charge of a completely different denomination which I am not even a member of.
No. There is a shitload of evidence of widespread child rape committed by Christian churches. There's no evidence of me being a nihilist and there wouldn't be since I'm not.
That was obviously a facetious rhetorical question.
Yes, but there's evidence of athiests being nihilists and claiming that 'nothing matters' and believing in subjective morality, which has led to atrocities. So suddenly Christianity represents the actions of all Christians but Athiesm doesn't represent the actions of all Athiests?
So if you're using various Christian institutions as arguments against Christianity, then I could easily point to large Athiest countries like Maoist China and Soviet Russia who murdered millions. Or Nazi Germany (Don't try and claim Hitler was a Christian; he most certainly was not and was only using the label to get votes) who tried to dehumanise humans into being less than animals.
Nope. Not believing in religion is not the same thing as not believing in anything. Far from it.
Another ridiculous strawman 🙄
Nope. If any beliefs have led to atrocities, it's religious ones. In fact, religion is probably the number two cause of murder after greed.
No, I specifically said the church, not all Christians. Unlike you, I'm not a bigot who thinks all members of a group are the same.
Correct.
You could, but you'd be stupid to do so. Those millions died because of politics, not a lack of religion.
He was and then he wasn't. He was never an atheist, though:
Source for more details
Which the worst Christian bigots do to this day. It's debatable whether or not Donald Trump is a Christian himself, but he's referred to groups of people he doesn't like as vermin and his Christian bigot followers cheered.
That doesn't answer the "your point?" part lol
Ah, but see, if you don't call him by his real name, wackytoodlerpops, you are committing blasphemy by worshipping a false idol. Ergo, free grounds for some chop chop in my cult, at least until we get to the religious stage and actually have to establish a stable society which has to consider things like trade from and mingling with the outside world. That's sort of why Scientology has had to tone down on its fair game policy.
Do Muslims think that?
I would say its a testament to the fact that humanity isn't so stupid they will opress the followers of a peaceful religion for crimes their ancestors supposedly commited.
That's a lot of pseudo-intellectual nonsense to mask your obvious antisemitism. The way you snake around your point and avoid naming the religion you are condemning would almost be impressive were it not so awful.
I feel like I'm the only person who actually bothered to read that and didn't just mindlessly upvote it.
I think it's pretty clear not only what religion I'm referring to, but what branched off sects and eventually separate religions I'm referring to. I think it pretty much has a lot to do with being an atheist, although I guess you consider those the ultimate antisemites as well for seeing the world outside of a fictional religious shell.
Which peaceful religion are you referring to? I'm having trouble seeing through all the blood.
Not only are you not the only person, you are the norm of this sad trend.
If you think Jews should not be allowed in positions of power, you are an antisemite. I literally could not give less of a shit what you believe in. I've been an atheist for most of my life, and I'm not an antisemite.
The peaceful religion I'm referring to is Judaism, the religion thats entire point is to spread good. Before you point out instances of Jews doing terrible things, I am aware that they are capable of wrongdoing like every other group of people.
So are you referring to all abrahamic religions? If so, you should have maybe just said that instead of writing almost exclusively about the Israelites. Regardless, I still disagree with everything you said regardless of how many religions you drag into it.
If all of the normal people think you're a lunatic, you may want to consider the idea that you simply are a lunatic. But you aren't mentally capable of comprehending the fact you're just an asshole, so you say every normal person is just a braindead sheep following a sad trend.
You definitely like your strawmans, but I suppose it should be expected.
You can say that to any argument regardless of how accurate it is. To prove I have misrepresented your point, you have to show how I did that. Simply saying I did does not add anything of value to this conversation.
it is possible I misunderstood what you were saying, or you wrote something unintentionally misleading. If this is the case, please elaborate and explain where the misunderstanding occurred. Until then, I'm going to assume your accusation is simply a method of making yourself look correct without actually having to come up with an argument.