Senators release $118 billion package pairing border policy with aid for Ukraine and Israel
Senators on Sunday released a highly anticipated $118 billion package that pairs border enforcement policy with wartime aid for Ukraine, Israel and other U.S. allies, setting off a long-shot effort to push the bill through heavy skepticism from Republicans, including House Speaker Mike Johnson.
The proposal is the best chance for President Joe Biden to resupply Ukraine with wartime aid — a major foreign policy goal that is shared with both the Senate’s top Democrat, Sen. Chuck Schumer, and top Republican, Sen. Mitch McConnell. The Senate was expected this week to hold a key test vote on the legislation, but it faces a wall of opposition from conservatives.
With Congress stalled on approving $60 billion in Ukraine aid, the U.S. has halted shipments of ammunition and missiles to Kyiv, leaving Ukrainian soldiers outgunned as they try to beat back Russia’s invasion.
The new bill would also invest in U.S. defense manufacturing, send $14 billion in military aid to Israel, steer nearly $5 billion to allies in the Asia-Pacific, and provide humanitarian assistance to civilians caught in conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza.
Seems like 3 good things to me, money to allies and border control all wrapped in one package.
Immigration is a good thing.
Who else is going to fix America's dying towns?
The legal immigrants that naturalize or are in the process of naturalization everyday. If you cannot follow the laws of the country, you don’t deserve to enter.
So the path that's intentionally difficult for people from Latin America to follow.
How about we open up that path to them? That would solve a lot.
Why should we lower standards for particular groups of people. Besides asylum seekers, which you can claim at any legal entrance into the country and do not need to illegally break in, all people attempting to become Americans should be held to the same standard.
We should lower standards because we built them higher for them in the first place.
The standards are the exact same for everyone around the world besides the cases I mentioned before. No need to lower them because people in Latin America would rather subvert the laws of the country they want into rather than enter legally.
http://i2.wp.com/interactioninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IISC_EqualityEquity.png?zoom=2&resize=730%2C547
Equality and equity are not the same thing. We built the fence to the same height knowing that specific groups could not reach it.
We built the fence at a height that ensures everyone who immigrates to the country earns it, through work, schooling, or other visas. People from Latin America immigrate to the US all the time, we shouldn’t lower the standards because some people cannot meet them, that’s the point of standards.
Funny how we suddenly care about good schooling when it's brown people.
I care about good schooling for any race, if you can’t meet the standards, you don’t get to be an American.
I agree. Schooling is important. So we should probably kick states like Alabama and Mississippi out of the U.S on account of their poor schooling.
Impressive how confidently you can say something that is entirely wrong.
From everything I have read, there isn’t a lower entry to visas for people coming from Europe compared to Latin America, with the only exceptions being Iraq and Afghanistan.
Absolutely bullshit argument when we consider things like seeking asylum to be illegal. And that's not even touching the fact that you seem to equate legality with morality...
These aren’t asylum seekers, they are illegal immigrants running the border. Asylum seekers can claim asylum status at any legal entryway. On your second point, if you can’t follow the country’s laws, you shouldn’t be allowed a visa into the country. Morality or otherwise, do it the legal way and everyone’s happy.
Yeah, money for genocide, and pointless border control that isn't even necessary, definitely good things.
Regardless of what israil is doing the USA has a duty to their allies its called ensuring the global order. And border control is most definatly nessasary i think u will find that border control is a bipartisan issue they just disagree about implementarion. Unfortunarly neither side will get any implementation cos the deepstate (the american economy) needs a cheap disposable workforce and it wants to keep that workforce illegal, makes em easy to fire, prevents unionisation, and can be abused etc etc. here is a decent explanation
We also have a duty, if you wanna put it that way, not to support genocide. Let me put it simple for you since you aren't getting it. I. Do. Not. Want. My. Tax. Dollars. Spent. On. Genocide.
As for your other argument, I'm not even going to address it, like I'm going to change your mind anyway. I don't even know why I bother responding go stuff like this.
I support no side of the whole israil palestine clusterfuck its simply 2 nations killing eachother its called war shit happens. USA has a duty to their ally in a war thats what allies are for. And its not a genocide if u win have u heard of dresdon or hiroshima or nagasaki all where full of innocent civilians same as what israil is doing to palestine.
As for my other agument im guessing ur not going to address it cos its a good argument and ur incapable of finding a logical responce.
You can't have a global order, or order at all, if the rules aren't the same for everyone. Every time the West allows one of its allies to do something vile it's going to be used as a justification by someone else. Allowing criminals on our side already let literal Nazis walk free in Nuremberg, and it's the favorite excuse of international criminals worldwide - Kremlin's keyboards probably have a "What about ..." button to save them time.
There is no rule against genocide just a rule against genocide then losing a war to "us".
What Israel is doing is not helping ensure the global order you dolt
Its not about israel they are a footnote. Its about who isnt going to trust the USA when the USA offers protection in exchange for something. If people stop trusting the USA will protect them the rules based world order colapses and everyone scrambles to get the bigger stick which always happens to be MAD.
“Isn’t even necessary”
It’s definitely a necessity to secure our border and protect the country from those that wish to subvert its law and order.
The call is coming from inside the house
Damn right, anyone that is breaking or subverting the laws of the US should be prosecuted.
Have you actually read all the laws? I'm pretty sure you broke a few just replying to me on Lemmy.
L take, only in a tankies wet dream is going against the popular opinion on social media a crime.
Oof. Bad news. That's cyber bullying. Illegal.
Womp womp, not where I am.
But it is where I am. So I'm the victim, of now cross state bullying.
Law breaker. Criminal.
Good thing I do not fall under the perview of your laws. Cyberbullying is such a stupid crime with a really easy way for the victim to stop it too.
Sounds like you don't have much respect for the law. Are you saying that some laws are stupid and should be ignored?
I bet you break the speed limit too.
Nope, it’s not a law where I am, so therefore I am not breaking it.
Securing our borders is code for I'm racist, and I think immigrants are dangerous. Fixed that for you.
You don’t get to break into the country, there are legal ways to immigrate to the US. If you don’t follow US law, you don’t deserve to be here.
You mean like we did when we slaughtered the native Americans already living here and claimed it as our own?
Back in a less civilized time when American Indians were fighting each other and conquering lands as well? Warfare is warfare, this is different. Also, if I remember correctly the American Indians fought and lost against the US, why wouldn’t we fight back now?
Okay. Expand immigration limits and make it easier for people to immigrate legally.
Until we do that, I have no issue with them subverting a system that exists just to keep whites in power.
I don’t see a problem with current immigration limits, and on your second point, people legally immigrate everyday, if they cannot follow a system millions have used before, they shouldn’t be in the country.
If you don't like it, maybe you should move to a white ethnostate.
We welcome immigrants here, and before you say it, humans can't be "illegal". These people add nothing but richness and culture to our country. It's the reason we were able to rise to power in the way we did.
You bought the propaganda; these people are not criminals. And when the election is over, you'll forget all about this "caravan" (or whatever), just like the one Republicans made up last election.
Why would I move from this great country? I have no problem with legal immigrants, American are Americans. Humans aren’t illegal, but they can illegally immigrate to a country. Most of them add richness and vibrance to areas, many do not, murderers and traffickers are mixed hand in hand with people that should have immigrated legally. You have bought into the propaganda, the numbers do not lie, illegal immigration is on the rise. If they want to get into America, they can do so legally, as millions have done before.
The facts don't back up your claims friend. Maybe one day you'll have a change of heart, I hope so.
Show your sources then that we aren’t letting in people that have broken the law in grisly ways.
When you make wild claims, the expectation is that you show sources, not the other way around.
https://homeland.house.gov/2023/10/26/factsheet-final-fy23-numbers-show-worst-year-at-americas-borders-ever/
35k illegals with prior convictions, 600 known gang members, 170 terrorist watchlist individuals, 27k ibs of fentanyl and other illegal drugs smuggled in through the border.