I’ll say it again and again, before you call the cops for anything, you need to remember what you’re actually doing. You are willingly inviting an armed person, who will not lose a fight or back down, who is shielded from legal consequences, into your situation.
Grandpa isn’t answering his phone or the door and you’re worried? Call a locksmith, not the cops. Cops will just kick the door or call the locksmith anyway, now you have extra problems
That's what defund the police is about. It's about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.
Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We'd need the conservatives to be on board and they're not going for that shit cause they'll stop listening as soon as they think you're taking power away from their tastiest boots.
How about "Use the right tool for the job"?
A gun is a tool, right? Universal problem-solver!
It solved this problem!
That kid isn't having any issues now. 100% success rate.
That's what I keep getting told about guns.
Freedom Funding For Police Pact ought to be about right for the right leaning crowd.
Democrats fucking SUCK ASS at slogans... So many good ideas ruined by inept marketing.
True, but not so much in this case. It was BLM, not the Democrats, and most Democrats rejected it. Biden even increased police funding in response.
I think most of this was because of the successful propaganda campaign that made every BLM protest sound like a riot when it was some tiny percentage in truth
Or shunting off good candidates. Bernie has been talking truth for fucking 50 years but no nomination. There’s no central talking head, no real stated goal…
I vote blue but fuck me they suck at rallying voters to a cause
Even I agree with that. And I was one of those annoying guys screaming ACAB and shit. I really wish that didn't end up becoming the main slogan, because I really agree with the idea behind it. It's like if pro-choice people were framing their own position as pro-killing babies on their signs and stuff.
Honestly ACAB is another badly defined slogan.
The idea was that if only 10% of cops are actually "bad" and will hurt you, if the other 90% aren't reporting them and holding them accountable, you cant trust that ANY cop is part of that 90% because choosing wrong can end your life.
But then again you can't explain all of that in one word lol
That's not entirely true. Police departments demand conformity, following orders, and keeping a code of silence. Officers who tried to speak out about it in the past have been killed. While that's the extreme end of things, it doesn't take long to realize that being a good person and being a cop are mutually exclusive. Some departments make sure you receive morally dubious assignments during your year long probation. Assignments like arresting homeless people and destroying all of their possessions. Can you destroy someone's life like that? If not then they flush you out and complain about an officer shortage for more money. That's what ACAB is about. The guys who stood there and watched George Floyd get murdered are only the tip of the problem. The underwater iceberg is absolute lack of morality they show when interacting with the public.
Optics and phrasing matter. For as much criticism as Democrats get about being inept at it, ACAB and Defund show that the critics aren't a whole lot better.
Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.
Planned parenthood
BLM
ACAB
defund the police
Communist/socialist policies
The left in general just seems terrible at this. I suspect it's because we hold ourselves to morals.
I will say that Buttagieg had the perfect rebuttal to being called socialist -- "they're going to call us socialist anyway, that shouldn't stop us from making socialist policies", paraphrasing.
Hard disagree.
Police officers getting military equipment for free.
Police officers using gov funds to finance their own criminal activity in the name of "protecting the public"
Police officers committing crimes and the city pays the victims
Police officer unions protecting all bad apples. Insurance companies are struggling to reel them in. Cities are at their mercy.
Defund them. Make them pay for their own shit.
Because right now, they can absolutely fuck around with little consequences.
I mean shifting responsibility over to social workers etc for some of their jobs rn will accomplish most of that, but yes, it's fucking insane how many war weapons they get to use on the people who literally pay for them, accountability definitely needs to be addressed as well
He wasn't saying it was a bad idea, but that it was a bad name. You want to get something done in a democracy, you gotta get people on board. You want people on board, you gotta sell it.
Agreed. Don’t call the cops, figure your own shit out and call the appropriate professional for your situation
I’ll say it again and again, before you call the cops for anything, you need to remember what you’re actually doing. You are willingly inviting an armed person, who will not lose a fight or back down, who is shielded from legal consequences, into your situation.
Grandpa isn’t answering his phone or the door and you’re worried? Call a locksmith, not the cops. Cops will just kick the door or call the locksmith anyway, now you have extra problems
That's what defund the police is about. It's about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.
Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We'd need the conservatives to be on board and they're not going for that shit cause they'll stop listening as soon as they think you're taking power away from their tastiest boots.
How about "Use the right tool for the job"?
A gun is a tool, right? Universal problem-solver!
It solved this problem!
That kid isn't having any issues now. 100% success rate.
That's what I keep getting told about guns.
Freedom Funding For Police Pact ought to be about right for the right leaning crowd.
Democrats fucking SUCK ASS at slogans... So many good ideas ruined by inept marketing.
True, but not so much in this case. It was BLM, not the Democrats, and most Democrats rejected it. Biden even increased police funding in response.
I think most of this was because of the successful propaganda campaign that made every BLM protest sound like a riot when it was some tiny percentage in truth
Or shunting off good candidates. Bernie has been talking truth for fucking 50 years but no nomination. There’s no central talking head, no real stated goal…
I vote blue but fuck me they suck at rallying voters to a cause
Even I agree with that. And I was one of those annoying guys screaming ACAB and shit. I really wish that didn't end up becoming the main slogan, because I really agree with the idea behind it. It's like if pro-choice people were framing their own position as pro-killing babies on their signs and stuff.
Honestly ACAB is another badly defined slogan.
The idea was that if only 10% of cops are actually "bad" and will hurt you, if the other 90% aren't reporting them and holding them accountable, you cant trust that ANY cop is part of that 90% because choosing wrong can end your life.
But then again you can't explain all of that in one word lol
That's not entirely true. Police departments demand conformity, following orders, and keeping a code of silence. Officers who tried to speak out about it in the past have been killed. While that's the extreme end of things, it doesn't take long to realize that being a good person and being a cop are mutually exclusive. Some departments make sure you receive morally dubious assignments during your year long probation. Assignments like arresting homeless people and destroying all of their possessions. Can you destroy someone's life like that? If not then they flush you out and complain about an officer shortage for more money. That's what ACAB is about. The guys who stood there and watched George Floyd get murdered are only the tip of the problem. The underwater iceberg is absolute lack of morality they show when interacting with the public.
Optics and phrasing matter. For as much criticism as Democrats get about being inept at it, ACAB and Defund show that the critics aren't a whole lot better.
Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.
Planned parenthood
BLM
ACAB
defund the police
Communist/socialist policies
The left in general just seems terrible at this. I suspect it's because we hold ourselves to morals.
I will say that Buttagieg had the perfect rebuttal to being called socialist -- "they're going to call us socialist anyway, that shouldn't stop us from making socialist policies", paraphrasing.
Hard disagree.
Police officers getting military equipment for free.
Police officers using gov funds to finance their own criminal activity in the name of "protecting the public"
Police officers committing crimes and the city pays the victims
Police officer unions protecting all bad apples. Insurance companies are struggling to reel them in. Cities are at their mercy.
Defund them. Make them pay for their own shit.
Because right now, they can absolutely fuck around with little consequences.
I mean shifting responsibility over to social workers etc for some of their jobs rn will accomplish most of that, but yes, it's fucking insane how many war weapons they get to use on the people who literally pay for them, accountability definitely needs to be addressed as well
He wasn't saying it was a bad idea, but that it was a bad name. You want to get something done in a democracy, you gotta get people on board. You want people on board, you gotta sell it.
Agreed. Don’t call the cops, figure your own shit out and call the appropriate professional for your situation