"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert
“The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
- Malcolm X
Damn i need to read more x quotes
As much as I appreciate Malcolm X, this quote is very much a product of its time.
Not at all. We've seen this our whole lives, and are currently seeing it with the liberal response to the ongoing genocide in Palestine too. They only support emancipatory movements in theory, but in practice are the same as conservatives: they stop when those people are taking direct action for emancipation, specially when it threatens their own positions.
"...who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." - MLK
Liberals didn't like Mandela's use of force to overthrow apartheid in South Africa, and they wouldn't approve of it if it happened now either. The same way they aren't approving of Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas in their war against the apartheid colony "israel".
I've seen fairly universal support from liberal voters both irl and online for Palestine, but not from our politicians.
That was the same with black liberation and apartheid South Africa in MLK and Mandela's time: they support it only in theory. How many of them supported direct action and use of violent force to actually materially change those? How many of them support Hamas, PFLP, etc in our current time now?
The answer is "not many", because MLK, Malcolm X and Mandela were all right about liberals being the same as conservatives in practice.
Hamas is more complicated, because they have also called for the extinction of Israel. That being said I'm pretty sure 90%+ of protests against Israel in the US have been lead by liberals.
Anyways, yeah, they're exactly the same, except for taxes, education, infrastructure, student loan debt, environmental protections, general demeanor, morals, actual family values, LGBTQ+ rights, not committing insurrection, avoiding gerrymandering, not delaying supreme court nominations, following the Constitution, mental health policies, healthcare, generally caring about their fellow human beings... you get the idea.
Hamas is more complicated
See what Malcolm X, MLK, and Mandela meant? You would've said shit like this about MLK's and Mandela's violent riots and sabotages of the government too, and liberals did.
No, the difference is that black people didn't generally call for the extinction of the rest of the united states. They wanted equality, not supremacy. Sometimes situations really are different.
Also I find it interesting that you only responded to that part of my comment.
Take a visit to /r/worldnews, then
Yeah people seem to forget liberalism is a right-wing ideology. One look at Reddit's takes on Palestine says everything.
"In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally." - Phil Ochs
Is this implying being right of center is bad? You know what that would mean, right?
You would have to start a long conversation about the overton window, and what left vs right even means to both you and i before tackling this question, friend.
Neoliberalism is stuff like putting children to work in the coal mines and also includes modern day conservatives (especially the nazi ones, a lot of people don't realize how the nazi regime was more or less liberalism taken to its conclusion, which is why it took a war for them to face any opposition from the liberal world order, and even then it was only because they bit the hand that fed them)
Neoliberalism =/= liberalism and especially not leftism (or just "the opposite of conservatism"), which I assume is what Colbert means
"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert
“The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative.”
- Malcolm X
Damn i need to read more x quotes
As much as I appreciate Malcolm X, this quote is very much a product of its time.
Not at all. We've seen this our whole lives, and are currently seeing it with the liberal response to the ongoing genocide in Palestine too. They only support emancipatory movements in theory, but in practice are the same as conservatives: they stop when those people are taking direct action for emancipation, specially when it threatens their own positions.
"...who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." - MLK
Liberals didn't like Mandela's use of force to overthrow apartheid in South Africa, and they wouldn't approve of it if it happened now either. The same way they aren't approving of Palestinian resistance groups like Hamas in their war against the apartheid colony "israel".
I've seen fairly universal support from liberal voters both irl and online for Palestine, but not from our politicians.
That was the same with black liberation and apartheid South Africa in MLK and Mandela's time: they support it only in theory. How many of them supported direct action and use of violent force to actually materially change those? How many of them support Hamas, PFLP, etc in our current time now?
The answer is "not many", because MLK, Malcolm X and Mandela were all right about liberals being the same as conservatives in practice.
Hamas is more complicated, because they have also called for the extinction of Israel. That being said I'm pretty sure 90%+ of protests against Israel in the US have been lead by liberals.
Anyways, yeah, they're exactly the same, except for taxes, education, infrastructure, student loan debt, environmental protections, general demeanor, morals, actual family values, LGBTQ+ rights, not committing insurrection, avoiding gerrymandering, not delaying supreme court nominations, following the Constitution, mental health policies, healthcare, generally caring about their fellow human beings... you get the idea.
See what Malcolm X, MLK, and Mandela meant? You would've said shit like this about MLK's and Mandela's violent riots and sabotages of the government too, and liberals did.
No, the difference is that black people didn't generally call for the extinction of the rest of the united states. They wanted equality, not supremacy. Sometimes situations really are different.
Also I find it interesting that you only responded to that part of my comment.
Take a visit to /r/worldnews, then
Yeah people seem to forget liberalism is a right-wing ideology. One look at Reddit's takes on Palestine says everything.
"In every political community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects. Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally." - Phil Ochs
Is this implying being right of center is bad? You know what that would mean, right?
You would have to start a long conversation about the overton window, and what left vs right even means to both you and i before tackling this question, friend.
Fair enough
Neoliberalism is stuff like putting children to work in the coal mines and also includes modern day conservatives (especially the nazi ones, a lot of people don't realize how the nazi regime was more or less liberalism taken to its conclusion, which is why it took a war for them to face any opposition from the liberal world order, and even then it was only because they bit the hand that fed them)
Neoliberalism =/= liberalism and especially not leftism (or just "the opposite of conservatism"), which I assume is what Colbert means