What are the demands of each side? Can we lay them out and compare? Or do we know already that Hamas demands are reasonable? Do we always have to take sides? I personally want what's best for the Palestinian people so I want a ceasefire and return to negotiations. But this partisan flailing isn't helping the cause. Unless of course we're ok sacrificing more Palestinians? I don't get it.
Do sides have to be taken in a negotiation?
I would say yes. That's the whole point of a negotiation.
Should we grant:
A. Both sides be reasonable?
B. Only Israel should be reasonable?
C. Only Hamas should be reasonable?
D. None of the above.
I just don't understand why you're calling out only one party?
Because one party is demanding something the other party says it doesn't have.
Problem I think is why they don't have them now if they had them at some point.
Unless they never had them to begin with; having people and now no longer having them points to killing them which, surprise, hurts negotiation.
Who knows though, Israel might of taken them for innocent Palestinians and did it to themselves :(
Unless it wasn't Hamas who killed them.
The IDF didn't put a magical force field around the hostages as they bombed the shit out of Gaza.
And those were the ones they were caught killing or even were aware themselves that were killed. How many more were killed?
Yeah, I'm not ruling out Israel unknowingly killing their own (or even knowingly I guess) but I think regardless if an explanation (that's true) by either was possible, it'd be better.
We can. Hamas has been very clear. End the blockade. Remove troops from West Bank. Recognize a Palestinian state. Allow Palestinian refugees to return. Release Palestinians being held without charge. (hostages but with a nicer veneer)
Israel wants their people back.
Those are the two positions.
So from the "River to the sea" has been taken out of Hamas charter? What does their charter state as their key objective now?
The 1969 borders. They still vote to resist Israel but they did actually change the charter in 2018.
What are the demands of each side? Can we lay them out and compare? Or do we know already that Hamas demands are reasonable? Do we always have to take sides? I personally want what's best for the Palestinian people so I want a ceasefire and return to negotiations. But this partisan flailing isn't helping the cause. Unless of course we're ok sacrificing more Palestinians? I don't get it.
Do sides have to be taken in a negotiation?
I would say yes. That's the whole point of a negotiation.
Should we grant:
I just don't understand why you're calling out only one party?
Because one party is demanding something the other party says it doesn't have.
Problem I think is why they don't have them now if they had them at some point.
Unless they never had them to begin with; having people and now no longer having them points to killing them which, surprise, hurts negotiation.
Who knows though, Israel might of taken them for innocent Palestinians and did it to themselves :(
Unless it wasn't Hamas who killed them.
The IDF didn't put a magical force field around the hostages as they bombed the shit out of Gaza.
The IDF has already admitted to "mistakenly" killing hostages that had been released- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/16/israeli-hostages-mistakenly-killed-in-gaza-were-had-a-white-flag-official
And those were the ones they were caught killing or even were aware themselves that were killed. How many more were killed?
Yeah, I'm not ruling out Israel unknowingly killing their own (or even knowingly I guess) but I think regardless if an explanation (that's true) by either was possible, it'd be better.
We can. Hamas has been very clear. End the blockade. Remove troops from West Bank. Recognize a Palestinian state. Allow Palestinian refugees to return. Release Palestinians being held without charge. (hostages but with a nicer veneer)
Israel wants their people back.
Those are the two positions.
So from the "River to the sea" has been taken out of Hamas charter? What does their charter state as their key objective now?
The 1969 borders. They still vote to resist Israel but they did actually change the charter in 2018.