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Better to just wipe out Windows entirely and be done with it.

And then what? What's going to replace it? As of right now there is no alternative that can do what windows can do. There are other operating systems that can do some of the stuff but not all of it.

What can windows as an operating system do that no other can do? Do they have magical scheduling?

Run Vectric Aspire for one thing.

That’s not due to the operating system but rather the choice of those producing the program. The operating system simply provides an interface to the underlying hardware.

The OS provides services to the application, acting as a bridge between the application and the physical hardware. The entire point of an OS is to run applications, otherwise it would serve no purpose.

If the app can run in Windows on the same hardware that Linux can, but the app can't run in Linux, then the only difference is the OS.

Yes, but this is a design choice made by those who make the app, not a design choice made by those that make the operating system.

If I make a screwdriver that isn’t compatible with any screws on the market, that is my poor design choice, not that of screw manufacturers.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that Linux can't run the application.

Or you know, the fact that the application can’t run on Linux.

If you want to be pedantic, be pedantic. The OS is what loads and runs the application.

Yes, but windows was not designed for the application. The application was designed for windows. This is a huge difference and blame for it not running on Linux should be placed at the producers of the application, not the os. If you want to criticize an os, then do so by looking at what does and does not work in the hardware interface, not by listing applications that have been designed for particular systems.

For all I know, windows could be the worst thing ever to develop applications for, but since it’s the most popular OS, most companies targets it for development. It doesn’t make it a better os.

I'm not arguing about whose fault it is at all. I know very well that it's the app's fault. But that does not change the fact that Linux can't run the app.

I'm also not criticizing Linux. I use Linux on my desktop and I'm very happy with it. I'm just stating the simple fact that Linux can't run the app.

Linux also can't change the oil in my car. That's not a criticism, it's just a fact.

The question is what can't it do? Yall keep saying switch to Linux but why? Why would I leave windows if Linux isn't offering anything better?

Well, as operating systems go, they both accomplish pretty much the same thing: an interface for programs so that they get access to hardware resources. One thing that Linux does is that it supports many more architectures than what windows does.

In windows, the UI is a part of the operating system so customization is a lot harder than what it is in Linux.

These are the only things that I can think of that are directly tied to the operating systems, but I’m not the most knowledgeable on these things. I honestly wonder what makes windows better as an operating system, because I can’t find anything.

That’s a nice generalization and all, but mostly just a lackluster cop-out that I’ve heard a million times. It’s not like windows is some high and mighty operating system which is the only thing capable of running some software because it’s so awesome. Linux is really good at a lot of things like gaming, security, data analytics, and continues to get better. Lots of money was put into developing windows and making it usable for most people. If more money was put towards the development of Linux for the purpose of , you’d have one less thing to bitch about.

Bro I can't even load up most games on Linux so saying we should do away with windows is saying we just shouldn't have video games anymore.

Linux isn't there yet and it's not even close. When it is then I'll switch but until then windows is just fine and isn't the boogie man you weird Linux fan boys make it out to be.

Do you play niche or weird games? Most games I play work as well if not better than windows compared to my gaming friends. The only problems I've had on Linux were because I decided to fuck around with the OS while doing some niche programming shit.

I interact with windows enough (since everyone comes to me for their tech problems) and I don't see a reason that Windows needs to still exist. Ads everywhere, cancerous data collection practices, crappy products that lag or glitch. Its a mess and I hate every time I have to use it any more. Nowhere near the same feature richness of linux, costs money, and they are constantly making poor anticonsumer decisions.

I do play a lot of niche games I guess you could call them. Some of my favorite games that I have hundreds or even thousands of hours in don't have but a few hundred players world wide.

The thing is I want the confidence to know that I can buy any game and it will just work. My mods just work. It's the ease of use I can get with windows I can't get with Linux.

I am no fan of Microsoft and I love supporting things like Linux but like most people I just want my shit to work when I get home. I have so little free time I don't want to spend it learning the ins and outs of Linux.

Understandable. For making sure games work I use protondb.com

I haven't had any problems modding games, even using external mod managers.

For most people, a browser and some apps is enough, which linux is perfectly ready for. For most gamers, linux can run basically any game like native, and most niche games with some finagling.

  1. I download Steam
  2. I download a game
  3. I activate proton with one click inside Steam
  4. I play

Bro can't be bother to make an extra click lmao

Not being able to run "most" games on Linux is a skill issue. If you wsnt to use windows fine, I won't stop you. But you are spewing a bunch of anecdotal nonsense.

You want to use a subpar paid for OS with telemetry, ads, and to support a greedy corporation for your convenience; Thats your prerogative.

At least educate yourself before you speak on topics you lack greater understanding of.

Yeah I don't think paying $3 for a windows key is breaking the bank for anyone.

And I tried educating myself by asking questions in this thread and not 1 person helped me. Everyone just attacked me, so if that's what the Linux community is like it's gonna be a hard pass for me.

Legal windows keys aren't $3. And not using windows Isn't all about price. But you dont seem to get that I suppose.

No attack here. I'm not attacking you. I'm stating that you likely just dont hsve the knowledge on the topic.

I didnt read every comment here.

What issues are you having? What distro are tou using? Whst games aren't working?

Any supporting details would help me potentially help you.

Which games? Have you tried proton? Lutris?

People like you are lucky things like windows exist because otherwise technology would be totally inaccessible to you, and you’d be banging two rocks together in a cave somewhere.

People like me? You mean the majority of people on the planet?

God forbid I just want to play a video game without having to learn the ins and outs of multiple operating systems while I spend half my time troubleshooting why things don't work.

Fuck me for wanting 1 part of my life to be easy I guess.

Have you tried the things I suggested? You sure do whine a lot. Speaking of Wine, have you tried it?

Why do I need to try? I have absolutely no reason to ditch windows. What exactly can Linux do that windows can't as far as gaming that requires me to switch?

I use my computer to browse the web and play video games and there is nothing about windows that makes that harder than it needs to be.

But yeah, keep being dicks to people on the internet while remaining anonymous because people don't want to make their life worse by using your preferred OS.

The Linux community makes me not want to use Linux out of spite.

“I’ve never tried to play games on Linux but I’ve determined that they don’t work and never will, so therefore Linux sucks and windows is the only answer”

Got it.

Why do I need to try? I have absolutely no reason to ditch windows

My head is deep and permanently in the sand but I know all about the sky and fresh air and I'm here to tell you they suck

^ that's you btw

So still can't give a reason

I know... I explained to you why you can't give a reason... your head is deep and permanently planted in the sand

Literally everything you have said about Linux is quite far off the mark... showing you are either trolling or simply repeating stuff you may have misinterpreted and know nothing about...

Live happy with you windows ads... Linux does not need you bud

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