Hamas launches rocket attack towards Tel Aviv area
bbc.com
Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.
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So you think what hamas did on Oct 7th was to "Fight back to your oppressors"? You're the one living in fantasy land.
I did not say that and wouldn't. Israel created the conditions for Hamas to come to power.
Looks like Zionists have brigaded this post.
You can't just call everyone who disagrees with you a "Zionist". We can read comments and your responses to them. That's exactly what extremists, like Zionists, do.
Just look at the apologia of these comments. This is Hasbara brigading.
Dude, lemmy doesn't have enough users to justify targeted hasbara activity or any other PR firm, that's part of the magic of the fediverse, at least for now.
There's at least 5 dedicated Hasbara posters on Lemmy .
In all discussions I've had about this, the root of the whole issue that fractures discourse is: should Israel disappear or not?
I think not (even if the original partition plan was too utopic and inviting a disaster), so the best Palestinians will ever get is what was in the original partition agreement, which you just have to accept peacefully, not with war, war declarations make palestine lose ground e.g. 1967 borders. I'm sure if a Palestinian government (not fucking hamas) recognized Israel, they'd get their state tomorrow, but this was never accepted, sooo...
if instead ou think Israel should disappear or turn into an ungovernable fractured state like Lebanon, like hamas wants, then..."fight back to your oppressors" and you'll have endless war.
Whether it should or not, I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won't disappear and the question now is whether or not Palestinians get to, at the very least, have the West Bank and Gaza as an independent nation. I hope they get more than that, but Israel is not going to disappear. A two state solution is, I hope, something that will eventually be reached.
I think the wast majority of the world agrees with this. It's even the US' official position.
No it should not.
As long as the Palestinians not recognized israel, israel has no right to exist. If israel wants to gain that right it can do so by accepting a two state solution
The clock didn't start on October 7th. Zionists have been massacring Palestinians since 1948. Palestinians have every right to fight their occupiers.
One act of violence does not justify another. That's the whole reason there's now a genocide. You're just taking it back a step.
The reason there's a genocide is because the Zionists want to exterminate Palestinians. It's unfinished business. October 7th is just the latest excuse.
It sounds more like you're making an excuse for October 7th. And if October 7th resulted in a genocide, I'd say that it was not justified in any way.
I don't need to make an excuse. The Palestinians have been under a brutal colonial occupation for 76 years supported by the US.
And that justifies October 7th how? How did it in any way improve the situation? How did Hamas think it would improve the situation for the average Palestinian?
It's all about the long game. Israel is increasingly being recognised as the ethno-supremacist apartheid state that it has spent decades gaslighting the world about. A new generation of US citizens are aware of the Zionist control of US government and are more pro Palestinian than ever. BDS is growing from strength to strength and gradually turning Israel into a rogue state.
So you're saying that Hamas did something which allowed Israel to kill thousands of children because they're all about "the long game?"
Maybe "the long game" isn't worth it if it results in thousands of their own people's children being murdered.
I'm sure Hamas didn't think the Zionists would start a genocide but the fact that they are prepared to mass murder children proves that Israel is a racist and criminal rogue state which deserves to be treated as such.
Oh, so you're saying Hamas are stupid. Well, again, that sounds like October 7th wasn't justified.
I think you're going round in circles. Goodbye.
Am I? Because you seem to be the one who keeps going back to "October 7th was justified" but your justifications at this point is that Hamas is so stupid and thoughtless that they didn't expect Israel to bomb the fuck out of Gaza and invade it if they killed and kidnapped a bunch of people and that it was okay that it did because Hamas was playing the long game anyway.
And at no point do you suggest that maybe, given the results, it wasn't the best idea.
Yea, because escalation always solves the problems of Palestinians.
It did. New countries recognized palestine as a state, many universitis diversed from companies supporting israel. Icc and icj sided with palestinians etc. Algeria sacrificed 1 million persons to get their independence.
Yes, but France only had to gtfo of Algeria, they just had to swallow their pride, give up and go home. Where do you expect Israelis to go?
Back to Europe. Or just give Palestinians back their stolen land and stop the apartheid.
Ok, then Europe sends them back to Judea, where they were expelled from, since that is something you do :)
Do you really think Azhkenazis are native to the Middle East? They are genetically Europeans.
https://www.nbcnews.com/sciencemain/most-ashkenazi-jews-are-genetically-europeans-surprising-study-finds-8C11358210
I don't care about racist talking points, what I care is that Israel exists now and you can't just make it disappear, that is what I am saying. russians can fuck off back to russia, french back to France, brits to Britain, etc. But not israelis, this is truly existential to them.
How would you like it if I said Palestinians are just arabs and can go back to Jordan/Egypt/Saudi/Syria/Lebanon?
Only saudi arabia are true arabs. All the other countries was arabized
No one is saying make it disappear. That is just Zionist psychodrama. Just end apartheid and give Palestinians back the land that was stolen from them. The European Zionists who pretend they're natives can stay where they are. No one is planning on sending them back anywhere. Just end apartheid.
Do you mean the apartheid between the palestinian territories and the israeli territory or do you mean the difference of treatment between jews and palestinians inside Israel? Because the 1st can be fixed with palestinian statehood. We sort of know what the one-state solution will look like, look at political mess in Lebanon. If you mean racism inside Israel...yea...I'm not sure how you can fix that...
The Israelis have ensured there will never be a Palestinian state by shoving as many settlements into the West Bank as possible. The only solution is one state with full equality for everyone.
They should get out of the west bank and remove the blockade from gaza.
Yes, it was. The goal was to get both civilians and military hostages and also ruin the abraham accord. I think what hamas did was terrible and wrong and a crime against humanity because they killed civilians but it doesn't remove their status a resisting group. In fact resistances group killed innocent civilians like the mau mau but didn't made britain the good guyd