We really need to tax energy used by GPU-burning projects differently. AI training, blockchain, whatever. Such a wasteful endeavour.
Fun fact they pay lower rate than households because fuxk you peasants ;)
All industrial users pay lower, because they're able to apply economies of scale and locate themselves in places with lower power costs. Some of them are big enough that the utilities will build power lines and plants specifically to make electricity cheaper. It's not just a matter of "oh, they're rich, so we'll charge them less."
I do understand the basics of how this works but big and/or business is directly subsidized by taxpayer and rate payer at every corner. It is getting tiring seeing this clown show when large swathes of population living hand to mouth, month in, month out.
You would think this would make people realize where the money is going ;)
That's the true point. How much is this really helping? I know as a private company they can do what they want but we need medical care, food security, and housing security. Nobody seems to give a rat's ass about being the Tony Stark of public or cheap housing. The things we truly need are not mystical ecosystem locking Jarvis's, but plain old reliable social services and other public services to lower the daily strain on the individual worker.
But have you heard about AI and another millennial billionaire progidy who will save us all sorry peasants?
Carbon tax, it was proposed so many years ago and it's always been a good idea.
By now it should be a hard carbon budget and not a simple tax that can be dodged.
How would a budget be less dodgable than a tax?
Energy and water.
No significant blockchains use GPUs any more. As for AI training, that produces AIs. It's not wasteful.
As for AI training, that produces AIs. It's not wasteful.
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I use AIs for a variety of productive purposes. You may not, and that's fine, but that's just you. You can't dismiss anything that you personally don't have a use for as "wasteful."
people still use nfts
Okay, so? NFTs aren't AI, and they don't use proof-of-work any more for that matter.
I use NFTs for a variety of productive purposes. You may not, and that's fine, but that's just you. You can't dismiss anything that you personally don't have a use for as "wasteful."
I wasn't. I pointed out that no significant blockchains used GPUs (especially not Ethereum, the main NFT-supporting blockchain, which has transitioned to proof-of-stake instead of proof-of-work). That puts them outside the question of "wastefulness" altogether, and irrelevant to the subject at hand.
"it's not wasteful because now they're only wasting less resources"
I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. The comment I responded to said:
We really need to tax energy used by GPU-burning projects differently. AI training, blockchain, whatever. Such a wasteful endeavour.
And I pointed out that blockchain doesn't use GPUs any more. NFTs weren't even mentioned specifically. Then the thread went further into discussing AI specifically, not even blockchain at that point, and you jumped in to say "people still use nfts". It was almost a non-sequitur.
I'm not saying anything about NFTs. You don't need to jump in and "defend" them.
nfts are wasteful
your justification for ai not being a wasteful use of resources is that you personally use them
people still use nfts
But NFTs aren't wasteful. They're run on a proof-of-stake blockchain, no big computing power is used to back them. Your point about NFTs is false, I didn't mention NFTs in the first place, I don't see the relevance of any of this.
But NFTs aren't wasteful.
i feel this take is a pretty good justification not to care about your opinion on things
We really need to tax energy used by GPU-burning projects differently. AI training, blockchain, whatever. Such a wasteful endeavour.
Fun fact they pay lower rate than households because fuxk you peasants ;)
All industrial users pay lower, because they're able to apply economies of scale and locate themselves in places with lower power costs. Some of them are big enough that the utilities will build power lines and plants specifically to make electricity cheaper. It's not just a matter of "oh, they're rich, so we'll charge them less."
I do understand the basics of how this works but big and/or business is directly subsidized by taxpayer and rate payer at every corner. It is getting tiring seeing this clown show when large swathes of population living hand to mouth, month in, month out.
You would think this would make people realize where the money is going ;)
That's the true point. How much is this really helping? I know as a private company they can do what they want but we need medical care, food security, and housing security. Nobody seems to give a rat's ass about being the Tony Stark of public or cheap housing. The things we truly need are not mystical ecosystem locking Jarvis's, but plain old reliable social services and other public services to lower the daily strain on the individual worker.
But have you heard about AI and another millennial billionaire progidy who will save us all sorry peasants?
Carbon tax, it was proposed so many years ago and it's always been a good idea.
By now it should be a hard carbon budget and not a simple tax that can be dodged.
How would a budget be less dodgable than a tax?
Energy and water.
No significant blockchains use GPUs any more. As for AI training, that produces AIs. It's not wasteful.
👀
I use AIs for a variety of productive purposes. You may not, and that's fine, but that's just you. You can't dismiss anything that you personally don't have a use for as "wasteful."
people still use nfts
Okay, so? NFTs aren't AI, and they don't use proof-of-work any more for that matter.
I use NFTs for a variety of productive purposes. You may not, and that's fine, but that's just you. You can't dismiss anything that you personally don't have a use for as "wasteful."
I wasn't. I pointed out that no significant blockchains used GPUs (especially not Ethereum, the main NFT-supporting blockchain, which has transitioned to proof-of-stake instead of proof-of-work). That puts them outside the question of "wastefulness" altogether, and irrelevant to the subject at hand.
"it's not wasteful because now they're only wasting less resources"
I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. The comment I responded to said:
And I pointed out that blockchain doesn't use GPUs any more. NFTs weren't even mentioned specifically. Then the thread went further into discussing AI specifically, not even blockchain at that point, and you jumped in to say "people still use nfts". It was almost a non-sequitur.
I'm not saying anything about NFTs. You don't need to jump in and "defend" them.
But NFTs aren't wasteful. They're run on a proof-of-stake blockchain, no big computing power is used to back them. Your point about NFTs is false, I didn't mention NFTs in the first place, I don't see the relevance of any of this.
i feel this take is a pretty good justification not to care about your opinion on things