Did you even listen to what was said? Insults are one thing but alluding to rape and then saying it's not rape if the rapist enjoys it. Is on a whole different level of depravity.
I didn't listen to the clip, no
But yeah, that person needs serious help if that's what they said
Yes but that isn't the only thing they are going to go after.
Did you even read what they wrote? "Some people go too far with their insults." What you described is literally going too far.
What was said wasn't an insult. "Your momma...." are jokes, "you suck do bad..." are insults. Tbagging a dead body is an insult.
Implying you are going to rape someone and then saying it's not rape because you would enjoy it isn't a typical "insult".
So yeah i read what they said. It just didn't really apply to the situation.
It may not be a typical insult, but it is still insulting. And if someone says that as an insult, that is going too far.
No it is not. “I’m going to kick you” isn’t an insult, it’s a threat. Someone could try to make the case that it’s a “joke” but it isn’t an insult.
In this video, you hear her say she's not going to mute him for the content. She has the tools to solve the problem. But she chose not to use them.
EDIT Also she deleted the full clip and video from her Twitch. Nothing funny going on here.
That doesn't solve the problem.
“When you to tell someone to ‘just mute comms’ to avoid harassment, you are essentially putting the harassed person in a position to not communicate,” said Donlon. “To compromise how they want to play the game to accommodate you.”
“Competitive games need to have room for banter. We believe this, and I do understand the fear that we will sanitise gaming by ‘over-addressing’ these issues,” Donlon continued. “We have no interest in doing that. But we do believe that a person should not have to be in a position to ‘grow a thicker skin’ or whatever other unhelpful suggestions have been thrown out there just to avoid threats of violence or literal hate-speech.”
It seems all you are trying to accomplish in this thread is to let assholes continue to ruin the experience for others by forcing the victims into silence. No, ban the assholes instead. Easy solution.
People have the tools to solve the problem, use them.
I think a lot of people on hearing this sort of thing once or twice will shut off the game and never play again. To me it seems like a similar kind of situation to a website like a Lemmy instance that removes all the csam spam that gets posted, but not fast enough that most people never see it. In that situation you can't tell users "just report and block", there is still a big problem and there is no one that can take responsibility for it other than the people operating the service.
I played thousands of games of Dota 2, and in that time I heard a woman speak probably like 5 times total, which honestly is very understandable on their part, but still unfortunate. Would be nice to play online games that are not de-facto filtering out everyone who isn't willing to tolerate being periodically subjected to verbal abuse, especially when it's extreme forms of verbal abuse.
Just hit the mute button like it's not hard. I've pressed the mute button a few times it's really not a big deal. You hit mute then hit report. After a few people do that they get banned.
Would be nice to play online games that are not de-facto filtering out everyone who isn't willing to tolerate being periodically subjected to verbal abuse, especially when it's extreme forms of verbal abuse.
True snowflake stuff. You don't live in a perfect fking utopia. Occasionally someone will make fun of you lmfao.
This doesn't really address what I'm talking about. I can personally handle people saying mean things to me (though can't say anyone in an online game ever threatened to rape me), but what I have a problem with is people I might like to interact with being driven out and the space becoming increasingly concentrated with people I don't like very much.
I haven't realized if people are being driven out of the game over someone trolling them. The monthly active players seems to stay consistent over this past few months. I don't believe people you like to interact with are being driven out of the game.
Well I haven't played in years, but I strongly suspect that exceptionally low ratio of female voices I referred to was not just because the game itself does not appeal to women.
The game has never had a female player base anyway. Not a single female esport player? Is it really impossible just don't like the game? Only 10% of female are gamers anyway. And I don't think that's because theyve been victim to trolling. They probably just don't like gaming anyways.
It is a commonly known issue that women avoid going on comms in games. For the simple fact that an incredible high percent of the time, doing so means being dog piled by the rest of the server. Sure plenty still do it anyway, but sometimes shockingly enough, some people want to play games to relax.
Anecdotally it feels like they’re more present in games than ever but if only a small percent participate in the hobby and that small percent constantly deals with this type of behaviour, do you think that’s going to encourage more to join?
People taking out their shitty days or personalities on others in gaming has been an issue overdue for addressing for a minute now.
I don't know what you're talking about. The dude said girls dont play dota 2 and claimed it's because they get trolled or harassed or whatever. I said no, they just don't like that game since there is not a single female esport player in that game. Val which you claim is so toxic has female esport players. You don't even address anything I say you just make unsubstantiated claims even contradicting claims. You say female gamers won't want to continue playing games if they encounter someone being mean to them but then you say it seems there are more girls than ever playing. So which one is it?
We already have ways to address someone being toxic to you. It's called the mute and report button. What more do you want? An ai listening to every word you say banning you for even the slightest banter? People will become afraid to even say anything for fear of accidently slighting one of you snowflakes.
The "tool" you want people to use is the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and going "la la la la la la la". Which, you know, is pretty widely recognized as a shitty tool.
Nah, the proper tool is to ban people like you.
Her saying she isn't going to mute him doesn't give him the go ahead to say the things he did.
Could this be a publicity stunt? Sure. Does any of this make what he said ok? No
This is a publicity stunt. All she had to do is to mute him. But she didn't and made a tweet about it. Now she haves gaming journalists writing articles about her.
EDIT She could have talked to Riot Games support without making the tweet. But she didn't.
How do you know? Getting publicity for this isn't a bad thing, no matter how you try to make it out to be. Sit down.
Why shouldn't she have tweeted? Seems she is getting positive results! Good for her.
Did you even listen to what was said? Insults are one thing but alluding to rape and then saying it's not rape if the rapist enjoys it. Is on a whole different level of depravity.
I didn't listen to the clip, no
But yeah, that person needs serious help if that's what they said
Yes but that isn't the only thing they are going to go after.
Did you even read what they wrote? "Some people go too far with their insults." What you described is literally going too far.
What was said wasn't an insult. "Your momma...." are jokes, "you suck do bad..." are insults. Tbagging a dead body is an insult.
Implying you are going to rape someone and then saying it's not rape because you would enjoy it isn't a typical "insult".
So yeah i read what they said. It just didn't really apply to the situation.
It may not be a typical insult, but it is still insulting. And if someone says that as an insult, that is going too far.
No it is not. “I’m going to kick you” isn’t an insult, it’s a threat. Someone could try to make the case that it’s a “joke” but it isn’t an insult.
In this video, you hear her say she's not going to mute him for the content. She has the tools to solve the problem. But she chose not to use them.
EDIT Also she deleted the full clip and video from her Twitch. Nothing funny going on here.
That doesn't solve the problem.
It seems all you are trying to accomplish in this thread is to let assholes continue to ruin the experience for others by forcing the victims into silence. No, ban the assholes instead. Easy solution.
People have the tools to solve the problem, use them.
I think a lot of people on hearing this sort of thing once or twice will shut off the game and never play again. To me it seems like a similar kind of situation to a website like a Lemmy instance that removes all the csam spam that gets posted, but not fast enough that most people never see it. In that situation you can't tell users "just report and block", there is still a big problem and there is no one that can take responsibility for it other than the people operating the service.
I played thousands of games of Dota 2, and in that time I heard a woman speak probably like 5 times total, which honestly is very understandable on their part, but still unfortunate. Would be nice to play online games that are not de-facto filtering out everyone who isn't willing to tolerate being periodically subjected to verbal abuse, especially when it's extreme forms of verbal abuse.
Just hit the mute button like it's not hard. I've pressed the mute button a few times it's really not a big deal. You hit mute then hit report. After a few people do that they get banned.
True snowflake stuff. You don't live in a perfect fking utopia. Occasionally someone will make fun of you lmfao.
This doesn't really address what I'm talking about. I can personally handle people saying mean things to me (though can't say anyone in an online game ever threatened to rape me), but what I have a problem with is people I might like to interact with being driven out and the space becoming increasingly concentrated with people I don't like very much.
I haven't realized if people are being driven out of the game over someone trolling them. The monthly active players seems to stay consistent over this past few months. I don't believe people you like to interact with are being driven out of the game.
Well I haven't played in years, but I strongly suspect that exceptionally low ratio of female voices I referred to was not just because the game itself does not appeal to women.
The game has never had a female player base anyway. Not a single female esport player? Is it really impossible just don't like the game? Only 10% of female are gamers anyway. And I don't think that's because theyve been victim to trolling. They probably just don't like gaming anyways.
It is a commonly known issue that women avoid going on comms in games. For the simple fact that an incredible high percent of the time, doing so means being dog piled by the rest of the server. Sure plenty still do it anyway, but sometimes shockingly enough, some people want to play games to relax.
Anecdotally it feels like they’re more present in games than ever but if only a small percent participate in the hobby and that small percent constantly deals with this type of behaviour, do you think that’s going to encourage more to join?
People taking out their shitty days or personalities on others in gaming has been an issue overdue for addressing for a minute now.
I don't know what you're talking about. The dude said girls dont play dota 2 and claimed it's because they get trolled or harassed or whatever. I said no, they just don't like that game since there is not a single female esport player in that game. Val which you claim is so toxic has female esport players. You don't even address anything I say you just make unsubstantiated claims even contradicting claims. You say female gamers won't want to continue playing games if they encounter someone being mean to them but then you say it seems there are more girls than ever playing. So which one is it?
We already have ways to address someone being toxic to you. It's called the mute and report button. What more do you want? An ai listening to every word you say banning you for even the slightest banter? People will become afraid to even say anything for fear of accidently slighting one of you snowflakes.
The "tool" you want people to use is the equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and going "la la la la la la la". Which, you know, is pretty widely recognized as a shitty tool.
Nah, the proper tool is to ban people like you.
Her saying she isn't going to mute him doesn't give him the go ahead to say the things he did.
Could this be a publicity stunt? Sure. Does any of this make what he said ok? No
This is a publicity stunt. All she had to do is to mute him. But she didn't and made a tweet about it. Now she haves gaming journalists writing articles about her.
EDIT She could have talked to Riot Games support without making the tweet. But she didn't.
How do you know? Getting publicity for this isn't a bad thing, no matter how you try to make it out to be. Sit down.
Why shouldn't she have tweeted? Seems she is getting positive results! Good for her.
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