Alongside policies for giving French citizens “national preference” for jobs and housing, they want to cut VAT on energy and allow under-30s to escape income tax.
existing promises on immigration, crime and insecurity as well as tax cuts to tackle the cost-of-living crisis.
plans to abolish droit du sol, the right to automatic French citizenship for children born to foreign parents
Sounds like some good policies no wonder they are getting loads of votes. The reduction in taxes always comes back to bite you and that's probably a mistake but the lower tax for the youth allowing them to get started in life instead of being in debt is a great idea. I haven't heard anyone have such a progressive idea.
It’s called populism for a reason. Trump ran on a populist platform in 2016. Populism can be Democratic or authoritarian, meaning it can be genuine concern about capitalism and the imbalance between the ownership class and the working class or it can be the sugar coating on a bitter, authoritarian pill—or, in other words, a fuckin lie.
Yea. You hope that the more centrist parties look at what the population are desperate for and will do anything for. And then you hope democracy works and people get to vote for that they believe is right. Hopefully that happens in conjunction with sane and stable leaders listen to the demands of the people.
Currently large amount of the people feel ignored or certain issues and feel only the fair right is listening to them. If they had anyone else to vote for I'm sure they would.
Right, but the lower tax burden isnt worth the authoritarianism. The assholes who can stomach sacrificing poor minorities and immigrants for a few gimme policies are not doing something noble. These are politicians we’re talking about. They’re not here for us. They’re here for themselves, and they are lying and antagonizing in order to get power because they know what people want and what certain people are afraid of. Their goal is to bait people with fear, entice them with populism and then…what? You catch more flies with honey and a hatred of honeybees.
Most young people do not pay income taxes currently, only the wealthy ones. So this reduction would only apply to already rich people.
Tax in francs starts at €10,778.
You think anyone under 30 that earns more than €10,778 is rich. Come on.
You clearly do not know how things work in France. We have tons of things fiscally in place that make it so that in practice, you have to earn much more than that to truly pay taxes.
I don't have time currenty to enumerate all of that, but I'll come back to you later if I don't forget.
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Poland went through such populist policies and their only outcome was massive inflation
Poland's a great country. I went there and loved it way more than I thought I would. Lovely people, lovely culture, lovely country. Wages going up every year. They seem on a good path.
Debt? What debt are you talking about? You know how taxes work?
Young people are more likely to go into debt at the start of their lives. Whether it be for things like rent, buying a car, buying a house, education.
If taxes are lower they can either have more savings or pay of debt faster.
Come on it's not that hard to realise more take home means you have more money. Christ this website is so financially illiterate.
Glad to know people taking on 30 year long loans pay slightly lower taxes for a few years, that's certainly helping a lot. Few because no one's giving a 20 years old a loan for a house/flat lol so you're probably closer to 30 when you actually can and do want to settle.
You might be financially literate, but you're not human literate if you think this tax reform is anything but catering to the young and non-politicised.
The tax break allows you to save. Means you will accumulate a deposit earlier in life, all else being equal.
What's wrong with catering to the young? They need help.
Because it's populist crap, obviously. We don't need MBAs and business school grads to pay lower taxes, quite the opposite. There's one party proposing to smoothen tax brackets across the board, which would also have a huge impact on the younger, and it's not Bardella's.
This tax cut is also a drop in the ocean compared to what they want to do to the retirement reform, but young people think they will never be old, and the old one sacrifices the youth at every turn so not many actually care this stuff despite the impact.
Lastly, I'm not sure there's even a plan for financing such tax cut. That's why people call it far right populist bullshit. The man did his entire campaign on tiktok and is only where he is because he married into the Le Pen family.
Unfortunately that's exactly what Nationalism Socialism was all about. Great socialist policies to support and bolster the in crowd. Unfortunately those policies aren't extended to the out crowd. And the out crowd is pretty easily defined when you've got "Nationalism" in your political party's name.
None of that is good.
I think helping everyday working class people is a good thing. That's what they want.
Sure if you want to help businesses fuck the common people. Keep wages low and prices high and keep the upper class rich.
Most people don't think like that though.
I think helping everyday working class people is a good thing
Just cut taxes bro. Just one more time dawg. I promise it'll work this time, dude. Just one more tax cut. One more time bro I promise. It's going to stimulate the economy homey. This time we swear.
There is a big difference between tax cuts in general and tax cuts on the poorest people in society.
But I agree. Tax cuts across the board are a bad thing usually but I can see why people vote for that. People feel they need more money and it's not coming from wage increase.
tax cuts on the poorest people in society
Are functionally no different than higher wages. But without public infrastructure - housing, education, health care, etc - what does an extra couple grand actually buy?
We've seen this in the US for decades. A pittance of tax cuts pitched as a percentage of income is presented as this enormous boon. But then wages stagnate, prices skyrocket, and debts soar in the face of new privatization.
And then we're worse of than when we started.
The tax cut doesn't buy anything in an inflationary economy
Yes so we agree. Wages need to be increased and the best way to do that is to stop businesses undercutting wages by hiring cheap foreign labour. Demand for labour goes up and with it wages.
Inflation is largely a global issue.
Wages need to be increased and the best way to do that is to stop businesses undercutting wages by hiring cheap foreign labour.
Urban density increases the efficiency of public services. Wage rates do not.
Trying to keep populations small and fragmented does nothing to improve domestic quality of life. And rising domestic populations don't hurt overall household incomes. Cartelized labor markets are what do that.
Inflation is largely a global issue.
Prices vary enormously by local regions. And price gouging is increasingly difficult over large distances.
Inflation is most commonly a consequence of local commodity monopolization, not global price trends.
Well some I agree with strongly. Other stuff you have just completely made up. Were you get your info from Facebook?
Were you get your info from Facebook?
Huh?
They dont want to help working class people though. They say they want to help working class people whö they consider french enough. Just like the NSDAP said they wanted to help working class people they considered german enough.
It's a lie to get votes. Their actual policies would hurt working class people.
French citizens.
No country is responsible for the wellbeing of others. The days of empire building are over.
Where do you target your fear mongering if you don’t share a border with scary brown people? Where do you build a wall?
It's called a Maginot Line and you build it on the German border
You don't need a wall. Just don't let people in.
It's not fear mongering if it is already happened and people can see first hand the impacts. That's why people vote the way they do they see the reality of the situation and the current parties are telling them things that are lies.
The thing with being in Schengen area is you literally just let people in LMAO. If you don't check passports of anyone coming in by the Italian border, you don't get to find out who is an EU citizen and who isn't.
Do you even live in EU buddy? Life isn't as simple as you think it is.
The stats I've seen have shown that immigrants from Schengen contribute more than average and commit less crime than locals.
As such on a purely data driven view there is nothing wrong with Schengen. For most people the issues isn't with movement within the people that have lived in Europe for generations. You know they are European, they have European values and there is a back and forth movement/ different perks. In a way Schengen works the way it was designed and works well.
Wow cherry picking 101, bravo 👏.
They are their policies. People vote for policies. Um that's how politics works.
Those policies seem to me something that would attract people. They currently have the largest amount of votes. So if people are voting for the parties policies what are they voting on? Their favourite party colour?
In case you're seriously asking, they vote based on how nice looking the head of the party is, not on policies. Democracy is dead when you see rednecks telling journalists they vote for the man because they like his tiktok channel.
According to the BBC
Sounds like some good policies no wonder they are getting loads of votes. The reduction in taxes always comes back to bite you and that's probably a mistake but the lower tax for the youth allowing them to get started in life instead of being in debt is a great idea. I haven't heard anyone have such a progressive idea.
It’s called populism for a reason. Trump ran on a populist platform in 2016. Populism can be Democratic or authoritarian, meaning it can be genuine concern about capitalism and the imbalance between the ownership class and the working class or it can be the sugar coating on a bitter, authoritarian pill—or, in other words, a fuckin lie.
Yea. You hope that the more centrist parties look at what the population are desperate for and will do anything for. And then you hope democracy works and people get to vote for that they believe is right. Hopefully that happens in conjunction with sane and stable leaders listen to the demands of the people.
Currently large amount of the people feel ignored or certain issues and feel only the fair right is listening to them. If they had anyone else to vote for I'm sure they would.
Right, but the lower tax burden isnt worth the authoritarianism. The assholes who can stomach sacrificing poor minorities and immigrants for a few gimme policies are not doing something noble. These are politicians we’re talking about. They’re not here for us. They’re here for themselves, and they are lying and antagonizing in order to get power because they know what people want and what certain people are afraid of. Their goal is to bait people with fear, entice them with populism and then…what? You catch more flies with honey and a hatred of honeybees.
Most young people do not pay income taxes currently, only the wealthy ones. So this reduction would only apply to already rich people.
Tax in francs starts at €10,778.
You think anyone under 30 that earns more than €10,778 is rich. Come on.
You clearly do not know how things work in France. We have tons of things fiscally in place that make it so that in practice, you have to earn much more than that to truly pay taxes.
I don't have time currenty to enumerate all of that, but I'll come back to you later if I don't forget.
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Poland went through such populist policies and their only outcome was massive inflation
Poland's a great country. I went there and loved it way more than I thought I would. Lovely people, lovely culture, lovely country. Wages going up every year. They seem on a good path.
Debt? What debt are you talking about? You know how taxes work?
Young people are more likely to go into debt at the start of their lives. Whether it be for things like rent, buying a car, buying a house, education.
If taxes are lower they can either have more savings or pay of debt faster.
Come on it's not that hard to realise more take home means you have more money. Christ this website is so financially illiterate.
Glad to know people taking on 30 year long loans pay slightly lower taxes for a few years, that's certainly helping a lot. Few because no one's giving a 20 years old a loan for a house/flat lol so you're probably closer to 30 when you actually can and do want to settle.
You might be financially literate, but you're not human literate if you think this tax reform is anything but catering to the young and non-politicised.
The tax break allows you to save. Means you will accumulate a deposit earlier in life, all else being equal.
What's wrong with catering to the young? They need help.
Because it's populist crap, obviously. We don't need MBAs and business school grads to pay lower taxes, quite the opposite. There's one party proposing to smoothen tax brackets across the board, which would also have a huge impact on the younger, and it's not Bardella's.
This tax cut is also a drop in the ocean compared to what they want to do to the retirement reform, but young people think they will never be old, and the old one sacrifices the youth at every turn so not many actually care this stuff despite the impact.
Lastly, I'm not sure there's even a plan for financing such tax cut. That's why people call it far right populist bullshit. The man did his entire campaign on tiktok and is only where he is because he married into the Le Pen family.
Unfortunately that's exactly what Nationalism Socialism was all about. Great socialist policies to support and bolster the in crowd. Unfortunately those policies aren't extended to the out crowd. And the out crowd is pretty easily defined when you've got "Nationalism" in your political party's name.
None of that is good.
I think helping everyday working class people is a good thing. That's what they want.
Sure if you want to help businesses fuck the common people. Keep wages low and prices high and keep the upper class rich.
Most people don't think like that though.
Just cut taxes bro. Just one more time dawg. I promise it'll work this time, dude. Just one more tax cut. One more time bro I promise. It's going to stimulate the economy homey. This time we swear.
There is a big difference between tax cuts in general and tax cuts on the poorest people in society.
But I agree. Tax cuts across the board are a bad thing usually but I can see why people vote for that. People feel they need more money and it's not coming from wage increase.
Are functionally no different than higher wages. But without public infrastructure - housing, education, health care, etc - what does an extra couple grand actually buy?
We've seen this in the US for decades. A pittance of tax cuts pitched as a percentage of income is presented as this enormous boon. But then wages stagnate, prices skyrocket, and debts soar in the face of new privatization.
And then we're worse of than when we started.
The tax cut doesn't buy anything in an inflationary economy
Yes so we agree. Wages need to be increased and the best way to do that is to stop businesses undercutting wages by hiring cheap foreign labour. Demand for labour goes up and with it wages.
Inflation is largely a global issue.
Urban density increases the efficiency of public services. Wage rates do not.
Trying to keep populations small and fragmented does nothing to improve domestic quality of life. And rising domestic populations don't hurt overall household incomes. Cartelized labor markets are what do that.
Prices vary enormously by local regions. And price gouging is increasingly difficult over large distances.
Inflation is most commonly a consequence of local commodity monopolization, not global price trends.
Well some I agree with strongly. Other stuff you have just completely made up. Were you get your info from Facebook?
Huh?
They dont want to help working class people though. They say they want to help working class people whö they consider french enough. Just like the NSDAP said they wanted to help working class people they considered german enough. It's a lie to get votes. Their actual policies would hurt working class people.
French citizens.
No country is responsible for the wellbeing of others. The days of empire building are over.
Where do you target your fear mongering if you don’t share a border with scary brown people? Where do you build a wall?
It's called a Maginot Line and you build it on the German border
You don't need a wall. Just don't let people in.
It's not fear mongering if it is already happened and people can see first hand the impacts. That's why people vote the way they do they see the reality of the situation and the current parties are telling them things that are lies.
The thing with being in Schengen area is you literally just let people in LMAO. If you don't check passports of anyone coming in by the Italian border, you don't get to find out who is an EU citizen and who isn't.
Do you even live in EU buddy? Life isn't as simple as you think it is.
The stats I've seen have shown that immigrants from Schengen contribute more than average and commit less crime than locals.
As such on a purely data driven view there is nothing wrong with Schengen. For most people the issues isn't with movement within the people that have lived in Europe for generations. You know they are European, they have European values and there is a back and forth movement/ different perks. In a way Schengen works the way it was designed and works well.
Wow cherry picking 101, bravo 👏.
They are their policies. People vote for policies. Um that's how politics works.
Those policies seem to me something that would attract people. They currently have the largest amount of votes. So if people are voting for the parties policies what are they voting on? Their favourite party colour?
In case you're seriously asking, they vote based on how nice looking the head of the party is, not on policies. Democracy is dead when you see rednecks telling journalists they vote for the man because they like his tiktok channel.