I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.
yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.
You can be convinced, you will be wrong though. Religion is a means of justifying otherism, not the origin of it. People will just create another bunch of bullshit to justify why they aren't bad people.
Secularism has caused two world wars and we're heading for a third.
how many wars has religion caused?
So maybe the issue isn't religion or the absence there of, but that shitty people will find excuses to justify their shittyness. That would make focusing on religion a waste of time.
so then what do you focus on as a cure for humanity?
Laws, enforcement (what's being asked for here), and education.
laws based on what? what kind of education? how do we achieve reasonable laws and enforcement?
my point is that we both advocate for humanity. the path is see towards that is a secular one. most of the obstacles to what we want are based in religion.
The obstacle I'm seeing is the police not doing their job. They've already talked to one of the assailants, they know who they are, and have done nothing. Let's start there.
yeah, fuck the police.
but i'm telling you, we are looking at the symptoms instead of the disease.
Are you claiming secular bigots don't exist?
nope.
Then the root cause of the symptoms isn't religion, is it? Seeing as it affects secular people as well.
Lol what? You are delusional. I'm not sure Orthodox Slavs would agree that WW1 and the subsequent Russian Civil War were "secular" wars considering most propoganda from that time was highly religious and they were seen as "holy wars" by both Slavs and Germans. The Ottomans literally were a Sharia state and the Sultan framed the war as a Jihad against the enemies of Islam. There was deep religious subtext in WW1 from nearly all the major European powers.
Both world wars were caused mostly by nationalism/ethnic conflict and recent history/economic problems. Secularism had literally not a single thing to do with it. Where exactly do you get this "WW1 and WW2 were caused by secularism" delusion from?
While true they won't have a belief system that backs it up, it won't have the power behind it.
There are smart homophobes. They use science, however flawed it is, to promote their arguments. Cutting out religion would take care of the few vocal people who genuinely believe being gay is against their religion but it definitely wouldn't take care of the larger problem which has always been xenophobia.
No one is going to vote for science, give me a break. You don't drive people to the polls based on a study or a syllogism, you get people to vote for you based on FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Religion is freaken awesome at this.
What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned politics in this thread.
They will just create a different one, like the atheists that are homophobic have.
I know homophobes that are atheists. while religion being gone would decrease it, do not expect it to be gone just because of that. People will always have issues with people different than they are.
yes, but with religion out of the way, we can implement better education to reduce 'otherism' bias. i am convinced that the only obstacles stopping us from being better humans are all rooted in BS fairy tales.
You can be convinced, you will be wrong though. Religion is a means of justifying otherism, not the origin of it. People will just create another bunch of bullshit to justify why they aren't bad people.
Secularism has caused two world wars and we're heading for a third.
how many wars has religion caused?
So maybe the issue isn't religion or the absence there of, but that shitty people will find excuses to justify their shittyness. That would make focusing on religion a waste of time.
so then what do you focus on as a cure for humanity?
Laws, enforcement (what's being asked for here), and education.
laws based on what? what kind of education? how do we achieve reasonable laws and enforcement?
my point is that we both advocate for humanity. the path is see towards that is a secular one. most of the obstacles to what we want are based in religion.
The obstacle I'm seeing is the police not doing their job. They've already talked to one of the assailants, they know who they are, and have done nothing. Let's start there.
yeah, fuck the police.
but i'm telling you, we are looking at the symptoms instead of the disease.
Are you claiming secular bigots don't exist?
nope.
Then the root cause of the symptoms isn't religion, is it? Seeing as it affects secular people as well.
How many wars has secularism caused?
not nearly as fucking many as religion has caused. are you seriously advocating for a more religious world?
Lol what? You are delusional. I'm not sure Orthodox Slavs would agree that WW1 and the subsequent Russian Civil War were "secular" wars considering most propoganda from that time was highly religious and they were seen as "holy wars" by both Slavs and Germans. The Ottomans literally were a Sharia state and the Sultan framed the war as a Jihad against the enemies of Islam. There was deep religious subtext in WW1 from nearly all the major European powers.
Both world wars were caused mostly by nationalism/ethnic conflict and recent history/economic problems. Secularism had literally not a single thing to do with it. Where exactly do you get this "WW1 and WW2 were caused by secularism" delusion from?
While true they won't have a belief system that backs it up, it won't have the power behind it.
There are smart homophobes. They use science, however flawed it is, to promote their arguments. Cutting out religion would take care of the few vocal people who genuinely believe being gay is against their religion but it definitely wouldn't take care of the larger problem which has always been xenophobia.
No one is going to vote for science, give me a break. You don't drive people to the polls based on a study or a syllogism, you get people to vote for you based on FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
Religion is freaken awesome at this.
What are you talking about? Nobody mentioned politics in this thread.
They will just create a different one, like the atheists that are homophobic have.
Yes nothing ever happens