It's too lucrative to die completely, somebody will always be there to take it up.
I have some experience and no formal training. If I dove into cobol classes and certs would that alone be enough for potential employers? Not in a get rich quick kind of way, but more of a ‘what’s the fastest way I can become attractive to employers without having to go back for a degree cause my current career is falling apart and I need to transition to something that isn’t actively injuring my body.” Kind of way…
i have a mainframe (the type of computer that runs COBOL) IT job after four years of school majoring in CS and minoring in mainframes. my most recently hired coworker got the same job with no college and an aprenticeship program. if i could do it all over again, that's the route i would take in a heartbeat
Amazing. Are there lots of modern standards, modern best practices for how to use the ancient tech?
yeah, at least where i am the cowboy days are long over. we have a modern change control system on the box that ties into our company's broader service management system, and methodologies like agile are used (and misused) just like in the newer departments. the software and hardware are also constantly being updated by IBM and keeping up with them and other vendors is a full time job all on it's own- really the only things ancient about it are the oldest parts of our own codebase and the terminal interface. we actually have a product that lets us bypass the terminal now and do everything in eclipse but the old timers don't use it because the terminal is easier for them and then the newbies don't use it because any time the oldbies teach them how to do something, it's on the terminal emulator lmao
Thank you for this! Any pointers from your coworker on apprenticeship programs?
if you have an edu email, IBM also does a "master the mainframe" program every fall that takes you from zero experience to developing a full application, which is a great way to learn the whole stack
I wonder why they require an edu email? Probably some tax reason. Then I wonder how hard it is to get a cheap or free edu email.
It's too lucrative to die completely, somebody will always be there to take it up.
I have some experience and no formal training. If I dove into cobol classes and certs would that alone be enough for potential employers? Not in a get rich quick kind of way, but more of a ‘what’s the fastest way I can become attractive to employers without having to go back for a degree cause my current career is falling apart and I need to transition to something that isn’t actively injuring my body.” Kind of way…
i have a mainframe (the type of computer that runs COBOL) IT job after four years of school majoring in CS and minoring in mainframes. my most recently hired coworker got the same job with no college and an aprenticeship program. if i could do it all over again, that's the route i would take in a heartbeat
Amazing. Are there lots of modern standards, modern best practices for how to use the ancient tech?
yeah, at least where i am the cowboy days are long over. we have a modern change control system on the box that ties into our company's broader service management system, and methodologies like agile are used (and misused) just like in the newer departments. the software and hardware are also constantly being updated by IBM and keeping up with them and other vendors is a full time job all on it's own- really the only things ancient about it are the oldest parts of our own codebase and the terminal interface. we actually have a product that lets us bypass the terminal now and do everything in eclipse but the old timers don't use it because the terminal is easier for them and then the newbies don't use it because any time the oldbies teach them how to do something, it's on the terminal emulator lmao
Thank you for this! Any pointers from your coworker on apprenticeship programs?
i THINK he went through these guys but i'll double check tomorrow and let you know if i was wrong https://www.franklinapprenticeships.com/
if you have an edu email, IBM also does a "master the mainframe" program every fall that takes you from zero experience to developing a full application, which is a great way to learn the whole stack
I wonder why they require an edu email? Probably some tax reason. Then I wonder how hard it is to get a cheap or free edu email.
Supply and demand.