Might be an unpopular opinion
While JD has said plenty of horrible things, this reads more like someone relating how they felt in the moment than reciting what was actually said. I'm sure most parents have felt this way at some point. We don't need to make this mole hill into a mountain. There's already a whole mountain range of his shit that's actually egregious.
I'm conflicted.
I feel that the assessment you made is accurate.
But, Context matters. and in this case he made this comment that shows him being annoyed as a dad after going on the record about how useless people without kids are and calling childless women crazy cat ladies.
It just reeks to me of him being jealous of people who don't have kids and/or him regretting being a parent?
Idk. I'm not sold on my take. I guess good for him for being in the kids life in a significant way, but again I don't like the framing of his anti family stances with complaining about being a parent. Pick a side lol
It just reeks to me of him being jealous of people who don't have kids and/or him regretting being a parent?
Perhaps. I don't think there's much here to substantiate that reading though, even with the context. I'd want a bit more evidence if I were to incorporate that into my appraisal of him.
You can judge someone to be morally repugnant without interpreting everything they say/do as an extension of the things that make them repugnant. It doesn't lessen the repugnance.
This is all true. Like I said, I wasn't sold on the take I gave (which was a gut take) from the logical side. I think your point about wanting more evidence is the best takeaway. Shady vance is the guy you can just give rope to and he'll hang himself.
My dad would tell me to shut the fuck up when I was a kid. I don't talk to him anymore
So you did as asked?
No. I did as told. As any abused kid would
Also, fuck you. Eat shit
I agree. I don't understand how this is important enough for someone to report on.
This was the first time I ever felt empathy for JD Vance, just as a dad. Also probably the last time.
Sure, but let's not give him the benefit of the doubt. He wouldn't.
Or you could, maybe, care about whats true instead of what's convenient the same way the right does.
Agreed, this is the dumbest thing ever. I get that they're trying to make them look bad, but I'm sure over half the people with kids have told their young child to shut the hell up when they're on the phone with someone "important".
This was me every other day during lockdown. My kids would walk into my ad hoc office and start complaining about some random shit or come in there to continue their little squabble.
I heard a guy tell his teenage kids to “shut the fuck up!” multiple times.
This really isn’t worth a story. Conservatives are awful in so many other ways. This is more of a human moment.
Yeah, back in 2022 I was doing teletherapy and the therapist worked from home and had a baby and one a few years old. Half the time I could hear them screaming in the background (granted you can't really tell a baby to be quiet, but you can a little kid) and it was annoying as hell to listen to.
Counterpoint - hit him early and often. Don't relent.
Nah, that just fucks your kid up when you do it too often. Sometimes little kids need a good smack because they absolutely refuse to listen to anything you say, but I'm largely against hitting kids. My dad spanked me once as a kid and it worked.
Yes, let's not be too hard on good old JD, who called Democrat politicians a bunch of childless cat ladies with miserable lives".
"The entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children," he said at the time. "How does it make any sense we've turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?"
The Senator from Ohio said the country was being run "by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too".
This has nothing to do with going easy on JD. It has to do with the things we chose to criticize on principle. It's about who we choose to be. You gave two great examples of things we should judge him for. I'm happy to focus on those and the next oppressive thing he says. If you want to be someone who criticizes parents for getting exasperated by their kids, that's your perogative, but that's not me and I don't think people should.
You can definitely get exasperated by kids without acting like this. I'm honestly a bit shocked how many people seem to think this is ok behavior.
Again, if we read it as he literally said that, then sure I'd agree the behaviour is not okay. Given the context of the quote, I'd want more evidence to take that quote literally.
Might be an unpopular opinion While JD has said plenty of horrible things, this reads more like someone relating how they felt in the moment than reciting what was actually said. I'm sure most parents have felt this way at some point. We don't need to make this mole hill into a mountain. There's already a whole mountain range of his shit that's actually egregious.
I'm conflicted.
I feel that the assessment you made is accurate.
But, Context matters. and in this case he made this comment that shows him being annoyed as a dad after going on the record about how useless people without kids are and calling childless women crazy cat ladies.
It just reeks to me of him being jealous of people who don't have kids and/or him regretting being a parent?
Idk. I'm not sold on my take. I guess good for him for being in the kids life in a significant way, but again I don't like the framing of his anti family stances with complaining about being a parent. Pick a side lol
Perhaps. I don't think there's much here to substantiate that reading though, even with the context. I'd want a bit more evidence if I were to incorporate that into my appraisal of him.
You can judge someone to be morally repugnant without interpreting everything they say/do as an extension of the things that make them repugnant. It doesn't lessen the repugnance.
This is all true. Like I said, I wasn't sold on the take I gave (which was a gut take) from the logical side. I think your point about wanting more evidence is the best takeaway. Shady vance is the guy you can just give rope to and he'll hang himself.
My dad would tell me to shut the fuck up when I was a kid. I don't talk to him anymore
So you did as asked?
No. I did as told. As any abused kid would
Also, fuck you. Eat shit
I agree. I don't understand how this is important enough for someone to report on.
This was the first time I ever felt empathy for JD Vance, just as a dad. Also probably the last time.
Sure, but let's not give him the benefit of the doubt. He wouldn't.
Or you could, maybe, care about whats true instead of what's convenient the same way the right does.
Agreed, this is the dumbest thing ever. I get that they're trying to make them look bad, but I'm sure over half the people with kids have told their young child to shut the hell up when they're on the phone with someone "important".
This was me every other day during lockdown. My kids would walk into my ad hoc office and start complaining about some random shit or come in there to continue their little squabble.
I heard a guy tell his teenage kids to “shut the fuck up!” multiple times.
This really isn’t worth a story. Conservatives are awful in so many other ways. This is more of a human moment.
Yeah, back in 2022 I was doing teletherapy and the therapist worked from home and had a baby and one a few years old. Half the time I could hear them screaming in the background (granted you can't really tell a baby to be quiet, but you can a little kid) and it was annoying as hell to listen to.
Counterpoint - hit him early and often. Don't relent.
Nah, that just fucks your kid up when you do it too often. Sometimes little kids need a good smack because they absolutely refuse to listen to anything you say, but I'm largely against hitting kids. My dad spanked me once as a kid and it worked.
Yes, let's not be too hard on good old JD, who called Democrat politicians a bunch of childless cat ladies with miserable lives".
"The entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children," he said at the time. "How does it make any sense we've turned our country over to people who don’t really have a direct stake in it?"
The Senator from Ohio said the country was being run "by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too".
This has nothing to do with going easy on JD. It has to do with the things we chose to criticize on principle. It's about who we choose to be. You gave two great examples of things we should judge him for. I'm happy to focus on those and the next oppressive thing he says. If you want to be someone who criticizes parents for getting exasperated by their kids, that's your perogative, but that's not me and I don't think people should.
You can definitely get exasperated by kids without acting like this. I'm honestly a bit shocked how many people seem to think this is ok behavior.
Again, if we read it as he literally said that, then sure I'd agree the behaviour is not okay. Given the context of the quote, I'd want more evidence to take that quote literally.