We also rate [LGBTQ Nation] Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to not labeling opinion pieces, which may mislead the reader
Failed Fact Checks: None in the Last 5 years
lol, dude who makes up these ratings can get absolutely fucked for expecting an LGBTQ news website to fucking both sides LGBTQ rights.
This rating is not "expecting" anything. This assessment is accurate, it IS left leaning and mostly factual, with unlabeled opinion pieces... What is the problem with identifying that? All news sites are biased, it's just how it is
Rating it as though they’ve published something that is untrue (what the average person expects from a factuality rating) when they explicitly haven’t failed fact checks is stupid AF.
Opinions aren’t facts, though. (Even if they contain no misinformation.)
Again, I think the average person is going to see factuality rating and read it as “how much of their reporting is true or untrue” and not “what amount of their reporting could potentially contain opinions according to the guy that runs MBFC”.
Just because an opinion piece doesn't fail a fact-check doesn't mean it's not an opinion piece, and it should be labeled as such
So factor that into the bias rating, not the factuality rating, because that is about bias and not whether or not they have published things that are untrue.
Presenting an opinion as fact (such as not labeling opinion pieces) would be a factuality issue no?
Presenting things that are untrue is a factuality issue. You are describing bias.
So you're saying I'm right because an opinion is an opinion and not true or untrue. Presenting an opinion as either is a factuality issue.
So you're saying I'm right because an opinion is an opinion and not true or untrue.
If it’s not untrue then it shouldn’t affect the factuality rating, not sure why this is hard to get.
Incidentally as another user pointed out in this thread, LGBTQ Nation does label their opinion pieces as such. Until MBFC presents evidence otherwise, I’m going to conclude that what they have deemed “undisclosed opinions” are things like “trans kids exist and deserve protection”.
Did you not see the screenshot that was posted? It is labeled.
If you sell opinion pieces as news then yes, that's not truthful and a completely valid criticism as people could misread it as actual news.
You should rather ask why they did not fix this yet, which would not just improve their rating quite a bit, but also be an overall improvement for the readers and the overall concept of sharing information (and it is trivially easy to do so too).
Crying about that feels rather weird and like agenda pushery.
Considering opinion pieces are labeled maybe MBFC should either update the rating or give specific examples.
Feel free to contact them if you think they're not up to date.
I kinda think it’s their responsibility to keep their site updated when they ask for money for the express purpose of doing that.
They literally only have donations set up and almost 10k sites listed. Please stop the entitled shit when it is pretty clear that the whole site relies heavily on user feedback too. Either you join in making it better and becoming a more decent human being in the process, or you can continue to cry about a free service not being 100% up to date. And lets be honest here, if you'd truly care about that news site and its entry then you would've done the former already.
If you pay me I’ll consider updating my opinion of them in a year or so.
You're overestimating your value.
Are you inferring that it’s not possible for an LBGTQ+ publication to misrepresent facts?
To me the rating is less about how “pro,” “anti” or “in-between” something is, and more about factual reporting of details
Are you inferring that it’s not possible for an LBGTQ+ publication to misrepresent facts?
No, which is why my comment specifically pointed out they failed no fact checks.
Yea that’s not at all what I said. But don’t let that get in the way of posting pictures of comments someone else made about unrelated subjects!
Also seems like they are labelled
I wonder how often they update the ratings?
Plus, overall, the difference between:
Donald Trump was a terrible president
And:
OPINION: Donald Trump was a terrible president
Does not seem like it warrants downgrading a website's fact rating. But if it was:
OPINION: Donald Trump was a terrible president and was able to fly unassisted
Then they need to be downgraded. The opinion label is basically irrelevant
While I get your point, I think it makes complete sense, and a big difference, when opinion pieces are labelled.
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lol, dude who makes up these ratings can get absolutely fucked for expecting an LGBTQ news website to fucking both sides LGBTQ rights.
This rating is not "expecting" anything. This assessment is accurate, it IS left leaning and mostly factual, with unlabeled opinion pieces... What is the problem with identifying that? All news sites are biased, it's just how it is
Rating it as though they’ve published something that is untrue (what the average person expects from a factuality rating) when they explicitly haven’t failed fact checks is stupid AF.
Opinions aren’t facts, though. (Even if they contain no misinformation.)
Again, I think the average person is going to see factuality rating and read it as “how much of their reporting is true or untrue” and not “what amount of their reporting could potentially contain opinions according to the guy that runs MBFC”.
Just because an opinion piece doesn't fail a fact-check doesn't mean it's not an opinion piece, and it should be labeled as such
So factor that into the bias rating, not the factuality rating, because that is about bias and not whether or not they have published things that are untrue.
Presenting an opinion as fact (such as not labeling opinion pieces) would be a factuality issue no?
Presenting things that are untrue is a factuality issue. You are describing bias.
So you're saying I'm right because an opinion is an opinion and not true or untrue. Presenting an opinion as either is a factuality issue.
If it’s not untrue then it shouldn’t affect the factuality rating, not sure why this is hard to get.
Incidentally as another user pointed out in this thread, LGBTQ Nation does label their opinion pieces as such. Until MBFC presents evidence otherwise, I’m going to conclude that what they have deemed “undisclosed opinions” are things like “trans kids exist and deserve protection”.
Did you not see the screenshot that was posted? It is labeled.
If you sell opinion pieces as news then yes, that's not truthful and a completely valid criticism as people could misread it as actual news. You should rather ask why they did not fix this yet, which would not just improve their rating quite a bit, but also be an overall improvement for the readers and the overall concept of sharing information (and it is trivially easy to do so too). Crying about that feels rather weird and like agenda pushery.
Considering opinion pieces are labeled maybe MBFC should either update the rating or give specific examples.
Feel free to contact them if you think they're not up to date.
I kinda think it’s their responsibility to keep their site updated when they ask for money for the express purpose of doing that.
They literally only have donations set up and almost 10k sites listed. Please stop the entitled shit when it is pretty clear that the whole site relies heavily on user feedback too. Either you join in making it better and becoming a more decent human being in the process, or you can continue to cry about a free service not being 100% up to date. And lets be honest here, if you'd truly care about that news site and its entry then you would've done the former already.
If you pay me I’ll consider updating my opinion of them in a year or so.
You're overestimating your value.
Are you inferring that it’s not possible for an LBGTQ+ publication to misrepresent facts?
To me the rating is less about how “pro,” “anti” or “in-between” something is, and more about factual reporting of details
No, which is why my comment specifically pointed out they failed no fact checks.
Yea that’s not at all what I said. But don’t let that get in the way of posting pictures of comments someone else made about unrelated subjects!
Also seems like they are labelled
I wonder how often they update the ratings?
Plus, overall, the difference between:
Donald Trump was a terrible president
And:
OPINION: Donald Trump was a terrible president
Does not seem like it warrants downgrading a website's fact rating. But if it was:
OPINION: Donald Trump was a terrible president and was able to fly unassisted
Then they need to be downgraded. The opinion label is basically irrelevant
While I get your point, I think it makes complete sense, and a big difference, when opinion pieces are labelled.