maybe you should leave the country then. i'm here to win because i care about what this planet looks like after i'm gone. there is no place for cowards any more.
I don't live in your third world country where the only way to beat fascism is with your own list of "undesirables" to purge as soon as you have the power to do so.
i care about what this planet looks like after i'm gone
It's starting to look pretty faschy to me either way.
there is no place for cowards any more.
But to be clear: you're not calling for violence right?
for the record, i care about what happens to the planet. sometimes i say i don't for the sake of my own ego.
we've spoken before. i think you are a weak person with no solutions, content to allow the continual slide of our western society into dystopia. there is probably no reason for us to continue speaking as our values don't align.
i think you are a weak person
You sure, you're against MAGA? You sound exactly like them
no i just realize that you have to fight back. in a war, both sides use weapons. are you going to throw water balloons because you don't want to be like your opponent? wise up.
Fight back ≠ maintain a list of everyone who expresses something I disagree with so I can punish them in the future.
says who?
It's not exactly "fighting back" when they're not fighting you now, and won't be fighting you in the future when you make use of your list.
but they are making lists. turnabout is fair play.
look, you've already made it abundantly clear that you are a weak pacifist, so i doubt you're going to make a point that has any influence over the way i think. that's why i mentioned that there's no point to us debating any of this. if our values don't align, you'll just be appealing to virtues that have no merit in my value system. do you understand what i'm saying?
but they are making lists. turnabout is fair play.
Who exactly is they? You sure everyone in that list has a list in return? Or are you just throwing them all together because you're incapable of seeing shades of grey?
no merit in my value system
Yeah, because your value system aligns more with MAGAts than with us
you don't get to tell me what my value system is. it's mine. i don't have all day to explain how the world works to you.
Yeah, because your value system aligns more with MAGAts than with us
no. my METHODS align more with them. my values are completely different. conservatives are the enemy. me thinks you enjoy virtue signaling more than effectively dismantling the current systems that produce suffering.
no. my METHODS align more with them
"I don't believe the same things they do, I just act in a way that is indistinguishable from them!"
"...Also the way they act is bad."
" It's okay when I do it though..."
effectively dismantling the current systems that produce suffering.
How does your list effectively dismantle those systems? Because it sounds like the purpose of the list is for after you have "won" and will be used to create more suffering.
you've lost sight of the big picture and possibly never had it to begin with.
i am trying to bridge the gap to a world where we use science to better the lives of all living beings in sustainable ways. conservatives are the road block. i have solutions. you don't.
but they are making lists. turnabout is fair play.
Are the people you are putting on your list the ones making lists?
I agree that anyone who is actively making a list of people they disagree with politically, with the obvious threat of punishing those people in the future, should themselves be made public and their attempts at terrorism brought to light. This also includes you.
How is your list being vetted? What prevents someone from adding you to the MAGAt list?
look, you've already made it abundantly clear that you are a weak pacifist
Right, I'm so weak that I don't go away when you try to push me...
so i doubt you're going to make a point that has any influence over the way i think.
You're not having a private conversation here that I'm intruding on. You are posting publicly trying to sway other people's opinions, so I am going to reply pointing out how horrendous what you're arguing for is. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm providing a different argument to the people you are trying to convince.
If you want to try to defend your argument you are welcome to do so. If you want to live in an echo chamber of only people who agree with you, you are free to block me. Just be aware that I will still be pointing out the glaring flaws in arguments after you do.
oh sure. i get it. i reply to other people for the sake of a third party reader also. fair enough.
for the record, i care about what happens to the planet. sometimes i say i don't for the sake of my own ego.
No one said otherwise, did you reply to the wrong comment? Or did you not bother reading the previous comment before replying to it?
You've made it very clear that you want the planet to not have anyone on it who disagrees with you, and that's okay as long as you believe you are the "good guys." That's a talking point straight out of Israel.
we've spoken before.
I have no idea who you are so I guess your arguments weren't very compelling then either.
i think you are a weak person
Ad hominem does not discredit my points that your arguments sound the same as a fascist. If my argument is so "weak" it should be trivial to provide a counter argument.
there is probably no reason for us to continue speaking as our values don't align.
If you're only interested in communicating in an echo chamber of people who agree with you maybe this isn't the right place for you.
maybe you should leave the country then. i'm here to win because i care about what this planet looks like after i'm gone. there is no place for cowards any more.
I don't live in your third world country where the only way to beat fascism is with your own list of "undesirables" to purge as soon as you have the power to do so.
It's starting to look pretty faschy to me either way.
But to be clear: you're not calling for violence right?
for the record, i care about what happens to the planet. sometimes i say i don't for the sake of my own ego.
we've spoken before. i think you are a weak person with no solutions, content to allow the continual slide of our western society into dystopia. there is probably no reason for us to continue speaking as our values don't align.
You sure, you're against MAGA? You sound exactly like them
no i just realize that you have to fight back. in a war, both sides use weapons. are you going to throw water balloons because you don't want to be like your opponent? wise up.
Fight back ≠ maintain a list of everyone who expresses something I disagree with so I can punish them in the future.
says who?
It's not exactly "fighting back" when they're not fighting you now, and won't be fighting you in the future when you make use of your list.
but they are making lists. turnabout is fair play.
look, you've already made it abundantly clear that you are a weak pacifist, so i doubt you're going to make a point that has any influence over the way i think. that's why i mentioned that there's no point to us debating any of this. if our values don't align, you'll just be appealing to virtues that have no merit in my value system. do you understand what i'm saying?
Who exactly is they? You sure everyone in that list has a list in return? Or are you just throwing them all together because you're incapable of seeing shades of grey?
Yeah, because your value system aligns more with MAGAts than with us
you don't get to tell me what my value system is. it's mine. i don't have all day to explain how the world works to you.
no. my METHODS align more with them. my values are completely different. conservatives are the enemy. me thinks you enjoy virtue signaling more than effectively dismantling the current systems that produce suffering.
"I don't believe the same things they do, I just act in a way that is indistinguishable from them!"
"...Also the way they act is bad."
" It's okay when I do it though..."
How does your list effectively dismantle those systems? Because it sounds like the purpose of the list is for after you have "won" and will be used to create more suffering.
you've lost sight of the big picture and possibly never had it to begin with.
i am trying to bridge the gap to a world where we use science to better the lives of all living beings in sustainable ways. conservatives are the road block. i have solutions. you don't.
Are the people you are putting on your list the ones making lists?
I agree that anyone who is actively making a list of people they disagree with politically, with the obvious threat of punishing those people in the future, should themselves be made public and their attempts at terrorism brought to light. This also includes you.
How is your list being vetted? What prevents someone from adding you to the MAGAt list?
Right, I'm so weak that I don't go away when you try to push me...
You're not having a private conversation here that I'm intruding on. You are posting publicly trying to sway other people's opinions, so I am going to reply pointing out how horrendous what you're arguing for is. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm providing a different argument to the people you are trying to convince.
If you want to try to defend your argument you are welcome to do so. If you want to live in an echo chamber of only people who agree with you, you are free to block me. Just be aware that I will still be pointing out the glaring flaws in arguments after you do.
oh sure. i get it. i reply to other people for the sake of a third party reader also. fair enough.
No one said otherwise, did you reply to the wrong comment? Or did you not bother reading the previous comment before replying to it?
You've made it very clear that you want the planet to not have anyone on it who disagrees with you, and that's okay as long as you believe you are the "good guys." That's a talking point straight out of Israel.
I have no idea who you are so I guess your arguments weren't very compelling then either.
Ad hominem does not discredit my points that your arguments sound the same as a fascist. If my argument is so "weak" it should be trivial to provide a counter argument.
If you're only interested in communicating in an echo chamber of people who agree with you maybe this isn't the right place for you.