Ohio sheriff suggests residents keep a list of homes with Harris yard signs

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Ohio sheriff suggests residents keep a list of homes with Harris yard signs
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My God that headline is terrible. That's the most sane shit he said.

"When people ask me...What’s gonna happen if the Flip — Flopping, Laughing Hyena Wins?? I say...write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yards! Sooo...when the Illegal human ‘Locust’ (which she supports!) Need places to live...We’ll already have the addresses of the their New families...who supported their arrival!" the post said.

He shouldn't have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He's a danger to his community.

The "locust" bit is getting far too little attention. The history of comparing undesirable populations with vermin is long and filled with horrific violence.

He shouldn’t have access to sharp objects, nonetheless a firearm, or be fucking Sheriff. He’s a danger to his community.

So, par for the course with US law enforcement.

"locust" is for those times when nazi rhetoric doesn't feel biblical enough.

Voter suppression. Someone contact the FBI about him. I already notified them about the lunatic lady who threatened trans people.

They'll literally track anyone but gun owners.

Yeah, let's keep a list of who's not armed so they can cross reference that with their sign list before they go on the offensive. Great idea.

The feds have a list of gun owners, it's just not pulled from gun sales or anything like that. It comes from data, bought up from internet data brokers, deanonymized and put into your FBI file. Like if you're liking and sharing a bunch of ammosexuals and tacticool content, or whatever you're doing publicly online, the feds know.

Dude might have just fucked himself.

He's racked up complaints all the way up to the DoJ, and this story is gaining national traction.

Our AG Milquetoast might have to take action on this. It's voter intimidation.

lol. Our AG has no respect for his role in America. He has extremely important responsibilities to act but only seems interested in watching MAGAts (at least the elected ones) get away scott free.

Thank God for Jack Smith.

gaining national traction.

I'm over here on the other side of the world, reading this in a different country.

Wouldn't that make that... international?

Im trans and I have multiple trump people in my neighborhood. My partner and I have agreed us putting up either pride flags or Harris signs would simply make ourselves targets since we live in a red state and county. I don't want people like this to put me on a list so they can come and attack the house if their fascist leader comes into power. Something that while they would want to do, I'm not positive they'd actually have the guts to do.

Regardless, this shit terrifies me.

I hope you don't feel any shame in this. It's absolutely disgusting that you live with this sort of fear, and I hope you have a community that you can rely on.

Also, I saw that someone suggested learning to handle firearms, which I agree with, but if home defense is what you're going for, a good ole fashioned Louisville Slugger will also often do the truck

Are you armed? You don't have to reveal political affiliation to go to a gun range and learn how to shoot and basic gun safety.

I definitely need to learn how to shoot, I did when I was a kid but haven't gone shooting in a long time. Unfortunately, I don't feel safe to actually get armed just because of my own mental health. I do have friends who are armed, though, and they're willing to come help if need be.

May I suggest you take up learning a martial art?

Not sure what they're like in your area, but when I learned Karate as a kid in the 90s/00s, everyone was treated according to their skill level and discipline, gender/sex is irrelevant (beyond cups for guys and thick sports bras for gals).

Its not likely to make you bullet proof, but it does stand a decent chance at bettering your physical and mental health, give you more options when a gun is not part of the scenario.

Also, I would second the notion of going to a range and signing up for basic pistol and rifle familiarization, as well as basic medical training, unless you legitimately are totally terrified of firearms or have some kind of trauma or PTSD related to them.

Such courses usually provide you with firearms for the course, you don't own them or take them home, they stay at the range. You just learn the basic principles of operation and safety and shooting technique, under hopefully an extremely serious couple of range masters who will hopefully teach you to treat all guns as if they are loaded until you have personally verified they are not, and to never, not even accidentally, point the barrel of a gun at something you do not intend to destroy.

You don't need to go buy a gun first and not trust yourself with it.

In fact usually a novice shooter is going to want to experiment a bit with different calibers and guns with differing grip styles and weight distributions untill you find something comfortable to shoot.

Martial arts and guns can give people a false sense of security. Who wants to devote a huge portion of their life to preparing for personalize warfare? LARPers live for that crap. On the other hand, it is wise to have a method of self defense as a normal life plan.
The absolute best defense is avoidance whether getting away or even moving your place of residence. There are many places where people aren't bat-shit crazy.
Forget martial arts if someone has deadly intentions. Get a short shot gun and learn safety and security first. Then learn your firearm very intimately, both how it works and how to use it so well that muscle memory is instinctive. Then, learn how to set a trap where you have the advantage even if you aren't super proficient. Most of all watch this short video.

Im not trans but I often think about my leftist views being on the Internet, in the surveillance age, we really really cannot let these motherfuckers into more power. Shit will hit the fan quickly.

I'm a paranoid sort. If I paraded a quarter of the signs, flags, offensive bumper stickers, et. al., of some of my neighbors in my red state, I would just expect that my property would be vandalized, my family threatened, my life endangered. I'm intentionally avoiding showing up on any "lists" that might be composed regarding people from different tribes. It's not right that this is a problem, but it is reality.

Two of our (gay couple) neighbors said something similar to me a while back: They're too afraid to put up a sign or flag.

My house doesn't have any LGBTQ people living in it but we have a HUGE fucking LGBTQ flag right across from the American flag. It's been such a blessing too! Now the most annoying of my neighbors don't try to smalltalk with me anymore about their absolutely batshit insane conspiracy theories 👍

I say we keep a list of fascist sheriffs instead.

There is a map! Add the fascists and protect yourselves. https://magatmap.com

"It's wrong when they do it, it's okay if we do it."

MAGAt Map is like Family Watchdog. It provides locations to avoid for safety.

The Ohio Sheriff is advocating lists for retribution and mob violence using a position of power.

I hope you can see the difference.

Read the other comments here, that map will be used for mob violence, too

Was https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book used for violence? I'd say the benefit of providing safety is greater than the risk of bad actors.

Nah, I can't think of anything negative happening based on a list of people, their beliefs, and addresses especially not in the 1930s

Do you actually know what you're talking about? Do you have anything other than opinion and unsupported questions to offer?

I didn't ask a question, so there's that. Just a suggestion: maybe you should ask yourself how you will make sure that your map is not used for mob violence and how you can make sure that unvetted and outdated information doesn't hurt innocent people. Shitty ideas don't get better by good intentions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

Green wrote his guide to services and places relatively friendly to African Americans

Green founded and published the Green Book to avoid such problems, compiling resources "to give the Negro traveler information that will keep him from running into difficulties, embarrassments and to make his trip more enjoyable"

You've completely twisted the reality of what that book is. This was a guide on safe places, not your dystopian private citizen political tracker you're trying to promote.

Keeping a list of people openly putting out fascist paraphernalia is a good thing because people like this hide as soon as the wind turns against them. Don't let them fade into the background.

Does anyone here believe that these are equivalent, and that both of your statements are true?

it's a war. we're the good guys. glad you're catching on.

it's a war. we're the good guys.

Said by everyone who has ever participated in a way.

yes.

Because those are the ones making bomb threats. Racist fucking bastard.

Anybody voting republican is actively encouraging this nazi shit, and if they don't realize they are they're probably too stupid to be voting.

unfortunately the only people who are too stupid to vote are those who don't or those who vote third party knowing they have no chance. it's like Darwin awards but instead of the gene pool they take themselves out of the voting pool.

actually, if it goes a certain way maybe out of the gene pool as well.

Well, this seems extremely illegal.

I propose public officials that appeal to the masses for surveillance be surveiled aggressively.

In other countries, not only would the voter suppression be illegal, but racial hate speech would also land this fucker in jail.

America truly is a special place.

Depends on the country, sad to say. This is not American uniqueness.

What happens if you send Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zuchowski a picture of his house with a Kamala sign on it?

I know those yard signs helps me to identify the racists in my neighborhood.

Theres a fairly large(billboard sized) trump sign on the side of the road on my commute. Id love to light it up

Yeah, nothing worse than a billboard you can't see at night. Get some spotlights, am I right???

Well i was thinking more of flaming arrows from the road shoulder

This is why it’s important to have cameras on your house nowadays.

So they can shut the cameras off like the sheriff did to afroman?

Its no guarantee of safety, not that you suggested as much.

The sheriff cannot shut off my security cameras.

Your security cameras are not bulletproof, they will shut them off

The police aren’t gonna shoot cameras. Also, there are several. Inside, outside, good luck getting away with anything in my house.

https://youtu.be/0bNy7XO-SCI

Have you ever been in an interaction like that with the police?

Because I've found that a lot of the time, people are somewhat more confident before they see just how disgustingly and openly corrupt these assholes can be.

Yes, my camera set up is very similar to that.

"Good luck getting away with anything in my house" still implies that you think that as long as you've recorded a police doing something illegal, he'll face consequences for that.

That is extremely naive.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/afroman-pushes-back-cop-lawsuit-recent-music-video/story?id=101520072

The cops actually sued Afroman, after breaking his shit and having it videod that they broke shit and stole from him.

I don't think you understand just how perverted "justice" usually is. Especially when you're trying to get consequences for law enforcement for having broken the laws themselves.

They sued him for making a music video of the footage. I would not be making a music video. So, what are they going to sue me for?

I do understand how bad the cops are. But as long as they don’t shoot me—a different topic—they cannot get in and out of my house unnoticed. This is my only statement.

they cannot get in and out of my house unnoticed.

This is very much not mutually exclusive with "getting away with things".

You're too optimistic about the justice system.

English must not be your first language.

And you must be on really shaky grounds with any sort of an argument, meaning you probably have literally zero experience with the justice system. Bringing me back to how cops being able to get away with things they do in your house and you noticing them in your house aren't mutually exclusive. (In this sentence, the preposition isn't needed. But in the first one, the way it was formatted, it did call for a preposition. See example 3: "Time and Tru Midi Slip Skirt Comfort and style are definitely not mutually exclusive with this midi skirt.")

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I keep a list of states I won't set foot in.

Agreed. At least until after their civil war and subsequent liberation from christofascism / white nationalism. Ironic how the angriest, most poisoned, deranged savages are in the most incompetently governed republican strongholds...

I've been saying the fascists do this already. Add the fascists to https://magatmap.com to protect yourself and your community.

What good does it do to highlight random citizens? Of it was businesses and politicians. But this does not help. Is there any confirmation that these people are trumpers.

Nope. Just pictures of people's homes and addresses and whatever anyone wants to put on the description. Take a picture of your neighbor that took your parking spot and say they shoot at people and see what happens! Fun for the whole family!

What an awful, ugly idea.

The pictures are required to show something connecting them. Fascist flags, signs, dogwhistles.

Still just random people. Not cops or government officials or something.

you don't get it. it takes people to elect the officials. the people are the base of support. they need to be blacklisted. it's time to clean up our own back yard. this is the only way to stop fascism, corporate overreach and eco dystopia.

How do you propose to "clean up" these people? I'm getting chills reading your comment.

Disgusting. Please don’t participate in this.

"being safe is disgusting!" ok bootlicker.

You're making a targeted list of private citizens based on their political ideologies. You're doing the boots job for them.

You can tell a lot about that site, since Texas and New Hampshire are empty.

You mean that it's just getting started and grassroots? You got it! Still very new and spreading the word.

Police are fine with not following the law and pushing it to the limits to harass people. Be safe out there if you plant your sign for whoever you're voting for.

If I lived near him, I would post a list of Trump sign addresses and include his. He probably still would lack the cognitive ability to understand that his suggestion was wrong, but I bet he would want to do something about me.

I’ve got a personal list of businesses with Trump signs in my area. They won’t ever get a dime of my money.

Same with garage sales, and Facebook marketplace transactions. If they have have a Trump sign, they aren’t getting my money.

I've seen an uptick of maga flags and even appeal to heaven flag. I wish there was an easy way to send these addresses somewhere to automatically sign them up for klan and legit Nazi paraphernalia and mailing lists...which sadly they're probably already on

Yeah bro that would just encourage them. Sign them up for dem and humanitarian aid things. Donate to african water purification in their name.

A church near me has an Appeal to Heaven flag. It creeps me out.

Can ya explain the appeal to heaven shit to me? Like I can tell its fascist tripe similar to the christian flag but I aint got context. Also the christian flag looks like a certain version of the Confederate flag, I want to invoke apon them Shermans wroth.

I associate it with trying to bring Christ into politics. For example, see this group's mission statement.. I've not dug into it much more than that, just enough to know it's currently a right-wing whistle and I ought to avoid anyone currently enamored with it. My local church only started displaying it after Justice Alito's wife caused a stir by flying it.

I've done the same with businesses that stayed open during Covid lockdowns, especially restaurants. If they don't care about a global pandemic, they're probably not handling food properly, following proper cleaning protocols, etc.

I've been running over Trump signs with my car. It's fun.

Fill their yards with Kamala signs instead. Damaging Trump signs encourages them to buy more, which supports the Trump campaign.

Nah if you run over them you get to fuck up their lawns too.

Shit. You drive over a sign like that within 500 yards of Drump and it would be considered an assassination attempt.

I've been thinking about doing this on my motorcycle. Might have to actually go through with it lol

Ohio sheriff spotted linking ears with RFK Jr. followed by reported sounds of moaning, "violent, fleshy worm movement" and the smell of celebratory, rotted bear meat.

Drop abunch on his property while hes away

Use a robot to secretly paint "Kamala" on his lawn. For bonus points use AI to generate an image of him kissing Kamala and use that as the image (wonder what kind of resolution one can get on a lawn? 🤔)

If he was doing it for Republican's and Democrats in order to identify the Traitors to the Republic, it would be more in line with reality.

Oath of allegiance - what does it say, and what does it mean for a sheriff?

After reading many of these comments here, do people not realize the problem illegal immigration is causing in the communities already affected by it?

You are the only comment I've seen mentioning that at all, what are you talking about

They don't commit the majority of crime, they don't qualify for hardly any government assistance, and they are often exploited by businesses. They make up only 4.2% of population. Sounds like a group that should be protected, not vilified.