You know what's not impossible?
Leaving that shit hole and never coming back.
It's possible but reddit isn't the only one looking for engagement, so are individual users. If a site has more users, it has more engagement and content. It is also not impossible to drop the lemmy name when you do go back there to make people aware of the alternative.
Someone dropped the name lemmy over there, so now I'm here checking it out. Screw reddit, man.
My thought exactly. They can always do like me and nope the fuck out of there.
I left and joined Lemmy. After a couple of months of being flooded by politics in /c/memes, actually it's everywhere, and very little new content I started going back. Now I doomscroll both. I usually head to reddit after a couple of posts which portray me as a fascist because I'm not a Marxist.
Yeah I'm thinking about leaving Lemmy. Not sure where to go but this place does not have diversity of thought or dialog.
That's not a good method though on it's own, there needs to be effort to undermine them. And since they don't want to do peaceful protests, the only option left are the more violent and less legal ones. The ones that compromise their platform and its data.
True but how do you get the message out when they control the media?
And moving to a different, more decentralized shithole?
Lemmy has the same power tripping admins and mods, just more of them and each with a new and unique bias. You don't hate AI? Ban. You acknowledge certain genocide? Ban. You made fun of my typo? Ban.
Unlike the reddit, you can always make your own instance and host your own communities and nobody will ever ban you. That's the whole point of being distributed.
Same as subreddits. The problem is most communities are on .lm and .world, and already established.
Again, the point is that nobody can ever stop you from running a community as you see fit, unlike reddit, which easily ban you and your community for any or no reason. And if your community is run well and the other has indeed power-trippin mods, the people will come to yours, as has happened multiple times before. So no, it's not the same shithole, unless you make one.
Not the same shithole, a more decentralized one.
And if shitty moderation would mean people leave, reddit wouldn't have any users. Alas...
People do and have left communities in the past. /r/Marijuana to /r/trees comes immediately to mind and there have been many many others. But leaving for an entirely different service has a way higher executive cost. Once people are in the fediverse however, the cost to switching primary communities is not that high, and we've seen that away when people moved from !risa@startrek.website to !tenforward@lemmy.world due to mod actions.
You did not make fun of my typo? Believe it or not, also ban.
We have the best commenters. Because of ban.
Wrong instance I guess. Yeah, Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad and hexbear are toxic as hell, but there are really nice instances out there. I chose dbzer0 and it's great here. We also have many interesting threads about locally hosted FOSS AI. db0 himself is quite involved in this topic, he's the initial author of things like AI Horde. Basically everyone on db0 I've seen acknowledges the active genocide that's being conducted by the Israeli fascist government. Other topics on the instance are anarchism and of course piracy.
Which is great, but for "news" there seems to be one major community and even then there's like 3 comments on the typical post. Any "news" communities on other instances have zero.
I have very popular hobbies (football, formula1, to name a few) and there is no community for them. Just not enough users.
That's exactly why more people need to leave Reddit and other corporate social media platforms
Yes, they need, but for "normies" there's little reason to, and you have the first mover penalty.
Public modlogs and federation help fight this.
Helps document this, does little to fight it.
As a user from @programming.dev you should know the importance of documentation, and the log being easy to read should help the users to fight it themselves.
As in by making their own communities/instances as needed
As a user of programming.dev I know that 99% of users don't read the documentation and just go for whatever is easiest / less effort.
As if finding the log takes more than a few seconds, took me like half a minute looking for it for the first time when i wanted to check a users deleted comment history.
Good for you, that's probably the most important feature for the average redditor, not content relevant to them...
Helps document this, does little to fight it.
Oh excuse me, i merely thought from your other comment that you actually cared about user participation, as opposed to passive content consumption, silly me.
I don't see how documenting a user's deleted comment history helps with abusive mods and admins, or promotes either participation or consumption. Care to enlighten me?
nah i don't care for giving tours to bad faith actor, especially to something that is a click away.
If you're not arguing in bad faith i suggest instead catching up on reading comprehension, because your reply doesn't logically follows from mine unless you're trying your very best to misinterpret me.
You're the one that suggested reading logs helps. Burden of proof and all that.
You know what's not impossible? Leaving that shit hole and never coming back.
It's possible but reddit isn't the only one looking for engagement, so are individual users. If a site has more users, it has more engagement and content. It is also not impossible to drop the lemmy name when you do go back there to make people aware of the alternative.
Someone dropped the name lemmy over there, so now I'm here checking it out. Screw reddit, man.
My thought exactly. They can always do like me and nope the fuck out of there.
I left and joined Lemmy. After a couple of months of being flooded by politics in /c/memes, actually it's everywhere, and very little new content I started going back. Now I doomscroll both. I usually head to reddit after a couple of posts which portray me as a fascist because I'm not a Marxist.
Yeah I'm thinking about leaving Lemmy. Not sure where to go but this place does not have diversity of thought or dialog.
That's not a good method though on it's own, there needs to be effort to undermine them. And since they don't want to do peaceful protests, the only option left are the more violent and less legal ones. The ones that compromise their platform and its data.
True but how do you get the message out when they control the media?
And moving to a different, more decentralized shithole?
Lemmy has the same power tripping admins and mods, just more of them and each with a new and unique bias. You don't hate AI? Ban. You acknowledge certain genocide? Ban. You made fun of my typo? Ban.
Unlike the reddit, you can always make your own instance and host your own communities and nobody will ever ban you. That's the whole point of being distributed.
Same as subreddits. The problem is most communities are on .lm and .world, and already established.
Again, the point is that nobody can ever stop you from running a community as you see fit, unlike reddit, which easily ban you and your community for any or no reason. And if your community is run well and the other has indeed power-trippin mods, the people will come to yours, as has happened multiple times before. So no, it's not the same shithole, unless you make one.
Not the same shithole, a more decentralized one.
And if shitty moderation would mean people leave, reddit wouldn't have any users. Alas...
People do and have left communities in the past. /r/Marijuana to /r/trees comes immediately to mind and there have been many many others. But leaving for an entirely different service has a way higher executive cost. Once people are in the fediverse however, the cost to switching primary communities is not that high, and we've seen that away when people moved from !risa@startrek.website to !tenforward@lemmy.world due to mod actions.
You did not make fun of my typo? Believe it or not, also ban.
We have the best commenters. Because of ban.
Wrong instance I guess. Yeah, Lemmy.ml, Lemmygrad and hexbear are toxic as hell, but there are really nice instances out there. I chose dbzer0 and it's great here. We also have many interesting threads about locally hosted FOSS AI. db0 himself is quite involved in this topic, he's the initial author of things like AI Horde. Basically everyone on db0 I've seen acknowledges the active genocide that's being conducted by the Israeli fascist government. Other topics on the instance are anarchism and of course piracy.
Which is great, but for "news" there seems to be one major community and even then there's like 3 comments on the typical post. Any "news" communities on other instances have zero.
I have very popular hobbies (football, formula1, to name a few) and there is no community for them. Just not enough users.
That's exactly why more people need to leave Reddit and other corporate social media platforms
Yes, they need, but for "normies" there's little reason to, and you have the first mover penalty.
Public modlogs and federation help fight this.
Helps document this, does little to fight it.
As a user from @programming.dev you should know the importance of documentation, and the log being easy to read should help the users to fight it themselves. As in by making their own communities/instances as needed
As a user of programming.dev I know that 99% of users don't read the documentation and just go for whatever is easiest / less effort.
As if finding the log takes more than a few seconds, took me like half a minute looking for it for the first time when i wanted to check a users deleted comment history.
Good for you, that's probably the most important feature for the average redditor, not content relevant to them...
Oh excuse me, i merely thought from your other comment that you actually cared about user participation, as opposed to passive content consumption, silly me.
I don't see how documenting a user's deleted comment history helps with abusive mods and admins, or promotes either participation or consumption. Care to enlighten me?
nah i don't care for giving tours to bad faith actor, especially to something that is a click away.
If you're not arguing in bad faith i suggest instead catching up on reading comprehension, because your reply doesn't logically follows from mine unless you're trying your very best to misinterpret me.
You're the one that suggested reading logs helps. Burden of proof and all that.