Can Lemmy World subscribe to beehaw subs?
I noticed that when I attempt to subscribe to beehaw subs, it seems to be stuck on pending. This has been the case for a couple hours now. Is this expected behavior? I think I read somewhere that beehaw was defederating. Perhaps this is the reason it's not working?
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That was before beehaw and lemmy.world were defederated.
What have I missed, why are they defederated? load / duplicate communities?
tldr version is beehaw doesn't like Lemmy world
Reminds me of highschool there are cliques now huh :D
They said they just didn't like the amount of moderation work lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works give them. Both these instances allow for joining without an application, and the amount of users that break their rules was just too much for them. They said they would like to revert this decision when they can handle the moderation again, but currently the Lemmy tools for moderation are not so great.
beehaw decided it. They couldn’t handle the moderation iirc
yup I was wrong, I'm still on "subscribe pending" but I do see their threads on my timeline now
Wait, are both Lemmy world and Beehaw defederating? I thought it was just beehaw. If Lemmy world defederates, wouldn't that mean it will no longer see other federated platforms content. That kind of defeats the purpose of the reddit migration in my opinion.
Beehaw is defederating from Lemmy.world, which is a two way severance.
Lemmy.world is not defederating from anyone else at the moment.
Beehaw is defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. That means Beehaw is not sending anything to those servers and refusing to receive anything from them.
Yeah I don’t understand how it works, but this seems like a really silly time to start splitting off tbh. Which instance are y’all signed up to?
Beehaw's purpose is to have a place to have certain discussions in an environment that is conducive to those discussions. To build that environment, they have a user application process for new users. That was working well for them. However, lemmy.world allows anyone to sign up without screening. The result was that people were able to bypass Beehaw's screening process to damage their environment.
To put into perspective, imagine you're trying to run a support group for civilian refugees of Ukraine. You create an application process to screen out anyone that would like to sabotage that environment. However, the room also has a window to an adjacent room, and that adjacent room is open to the public. Russian military then use access to that room to taunt the people attending the support group with pictures of dead Ukrainians, not only effectively ruining the purpose of the group, but making the group members' lives worse.
What Beehaw did was concrete up the window until they can figure out how to better protect their group members from people that want to damage their environment.
It seems unrealistic that a team of 4 people are going to be able to screen the potential flood of new users.
Entirely. I have no idea what the solution is. I think what Beehaw is doing is trying to prevent further damage while they come up with solutions that will work when federated with the rest of the instances.
But that's the whole point of federation. Why don't they just defederate from the entire network and just have a private instance?
Because they don't want to; again, this is temporary while they get their bearings and figure out a better way to screen and moderate bad actors (and hoping that Lemmy.world does the same)
exactly this
which is why I can't understand why people are so angry and almost offended about this
Like this isn't slandering all of Lemmy.world
yeh, its unfortunate the moderation logs are public and so you can see that beehaw only banned like 2 people that i can see from .world
I have 3 accounts. Main is on lemmy.dbzer0.com, alts are on lemmy.fmhy.com and reddthat.com. So far, only the extremist lemmygrad.ml is defederated by the instances I use (the major lemmy instances has defederatedlemmygrad.ml). No major instances has defederated any of the instances I use. I can interact eith beehaw.com just fine. However, subscribing to beehaw and lemmy.ml communities show "subscription pending" although they haven't defederated my instance.
beehaw is defederating from lemmyworld (ie blocking you). afaik lemmyworld isn't defederating from beehaw.