People will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid knowing the obvious, especially when money is involved
The rapists/perpetrators generally have stacks of cash/lawyers to avoid responsibility
Attempts at oversight are co opted by the rapists/perpetrators. The same grooming skills can be applied most situations
Forgotten or burried?
Honestly, I think the more important question is: Did it even actually care in the first place? Given how hollywood operates and its purpose, I sadly suspect not.
Schachner says she is certain he was pleasuring himself while they had a conversation she thought was going to be about her career.
In a parade of clips, boldfaced names like Janeane Garofalo, Roseanne Barr, Dave Chappelle and others either defend Louis C.K. or blame the women who came forward or both. Clips of fans walking into one of his shows echo that attitude with a simple, dismissive notion: Everybody makes mistakes.
Meanwhile, the film depicts women who helped expose his misconduct as mostly still struggling, watching as more powerful comics friendly to Louis C.K. minimize their work and what he did to them.
[The documentary] Sorry/Not Sorry asks viewers to consider all this again – as pop culture’s short memory threatens to erode progress made by the #MeToo movement – insisting that the stories of those hurt by misconduct remain a central part of the conversation.
it's wild how the non-Beeple in this thread are literally proving the documentary's point.
Watching this backlash to me too play out has been one of the most disheartening experiences of my life. It’s given every creep out there a playbook for getting away with things they know are wrong, and for some reason tons of people still see them as martyrs and harrass people who come forward. It’s an age old dynamic but the specific talking points and patterns in use right now are just so eerie and matchy. From celebrities to that guy in your community who everyone knows about. People use the exact same phrases and tactics. It’s boiled down all the awful thoughtless things people used to say to victims into an actual, coherent ideology that some people consciously subscribe to. At least, subjectively from where I’m sitting.
Louis CK is ok
Hard disagree
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It outlines how showbusiness institutions ignored widespread rumors he had a habit of sexual misconduct around young female comedians – including asking if he could disrobe and pleasure himself in front of them.
In an admirable show of honesty, Mike Schur, a producer and writer who created the NBC series The Good Place and co-created Parks and Recreation and Brooklyn Nine-Nine, says on camera “I pretended I didn’t know” about the rumors when he cast Louis C.K.
“Normally, we forgive the people who apologize and admit they did something wrong,” says Noam Dworman, owner of the Comedy Cellar nightclub in Manhattan, who made headlines when Louis C.K.
lost a lot in the immediate aftermath of his admission, since then he has rebuilt his standup comedy career, sold out arenas like Madison Square Garden, and released a movie.
Now, there is talk of attempting to redeem some performers tainted by #MeToo scandals, with actress Gaby Hoffmann, who appeared as Louis C.K.’s love interest in his FX series, criticizing cancel culture and reaffirming her friendship with the comic in a recent interview.There is, in these kinds of statements, a sense of wanting to get back to business as usual and turn away from difficult concepts.
Sorry/Not Sorry asks viewers to consider all this again – as pop culture’s short memory threatens to erode progress made by the #MeToo movement – insisting that the stories of those hurt by misconduct remain a central part of the conversation.
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For me, MeToo highlighted 2 things: rushing to judgement and lack of forgiveness.
I'd like to trust that those who were found guilty were properly punished. But, justice doesn't always happen.
And that includes those who suffered false allegations.
What about Louis CK. He apologized. Does he strive to be a better man. Should he be allowed a chance to move forward.
Or should we just bury every single person who makes a mistake.
I purposely didn't speak about the victims because I have a whole lot more to say about that.
People will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid knowing the obvious, especially when money is involved
The rapists/perpetrators generally have stacks of cash/lawyers to avoid responsibility
Attempts at oversight are co opted by the rapists/perpetrators. The same grooming skills can be applied most situations
Forgotten or burried?
Honestly, I think the more important question is: Did it even actually care in the first place? Given how hollywood operates and its purpose, I sadly suspect not.
it's wild how the non-Beeple in this thread are literally proving the documentary's point.
Watching this backlash to me too play out has been one of the most disheartening experiences of my life. It’s given every creep out there a playbook for getting away with things they know are wrong, and for some reason tons of people still see them as martyrs and harrass people who come forward. It’s an age old dynamic but the specific talking points and patterns in use right now are just so eerie and matchy. From celebrities to that guy in your community who everyone knows about. People use the exact same phrases and tactics. It’s boiled down all the awful thoughtless things people used to say to victims into an actual, coherent ideology that some people consciously subscribe to. At least, subjectively from where I’m sitting.
Louis CK is ok
Hard disagree
🤖 I'm a bot that provides automatic summaries for articles: ::: spoiler Click here to see the summary It outlines how showbusiness institutions ignored widespread rumors he had a habit of sexual misconduct around young female comedians – including asking if he could disrobe and pleasure himself in front of them.
In an admirable show of honesty, Mike Schur, a producer and writer who created the NBC series The Good Place and co-created Parks and Recreation and Brooklyn Nine-Nine, says on camera “I pretended I didn’t know” about the rumors when he cast Louis C.K.
“Normally, we forgive the people who apologize and admit they did something wrong,” says Noam Dworman, owner of the Comedy Cellar nightclub in Manhattan, who made headlines when Louis C.K.
lost a lot in the immediate aftermath of his admission, since then he has rebuilt his standup comedy career, sold out arenas like Madison Square Garden, and released a movie.
Now, there is talk of attempting to redeem some performers tainted by #MeToo scandals, with actress Gaby Hoffmann, who appeared as Louis C.K.’s love interest in his FX series, criticizing cancel culture and reaffirming her friendship with the comic in a recent interview.There is, in these kinds of statements, a sense of wanting to get back to business as usual and turn away from difficult concepts.
Sorry/Not Sorry asks viewers to consider all this again – as pop culture’s short memory threatens to erode progress made by the #MeToo movement – insisting that the stories of those hurt by misconduct remain a central part of the conversation.
Saved 79% of original text. :::
For me, MeToo highlighted 2 things: rushing to judgement and lack of forgiveness.
I'd like to trust that those who were found guilty were properly punished. But, justice doesn't always happen.
And that includes those who suffered false allegations.
What about Louis CK. He apologized. Does he strive to be a better man. Should he be allowed a chance to move forward.
Or should we just bury every single person who makes a mistake.
I purposely didn't speak about the victims because I have a whole lot more to say about that.