Somebody gave me this link earlier as to why they don't like the Fediverse, from the perspective of an user
cohost.org
The core phrase of the blog post: "no one has done an especially good job explaining why the fediverse is better than centralized solutions".
Feels to me that it's all growing pains, we WOULD benefit for a federated auth system instead of an account on every service, and we need lots of bug fixing, i just wish all these social media shitstorms had happened a couple years later and not at this point...
I like blogs like this. Its important to not stay too comfy in one spot and recognize the flaws in software in order to improve. The comments already try to spot the core issues and offer solutions and its great. I share most of the authors points when it comes to federation. Creating an insta account and sharing your pics on twitter is easy as it gets, you just need two accounts. Im aware this is a growing technology, but I wonder how much of it can be improved, and how much is already set in stone.
It is, of course, odd that the author brushed off descentralization so quickly, especially considering that post was written a couple days ago. Has he not been paying attention to Reddit or Twitter? Sure, if you switch to another instance youll still be under an admin, but you can switch to a saner one. You wont be stuck with the only option. Glad to see this being pointed out in the comment section
The kbin bit is also odd to me. I thought that was just a bug?
Good writeup nonetheless. Wish opinions like this become more common, with the hope that itll be translated into improving the platform
I don't get why we still haven't figured out that dictatorships are bad.
Reddit is a content dictatorship, federation democratizes it.
It's really just that simple.
My simple answer: A centralized body controlling the nature of all traffic on its platform has the power to unilaterally make decisions which benefit the body itself regardless of the needs or desires of the individuals participating on that platform. If there is no centralized body, this is not possible. Because of the multitude of instances and the ability to form barriers between them at will, each community has unprecedented ability to be the platform its users desire it to be.
The primary benefit to federated services as I see it is that you can have a network of groups, all with their own policies on moderation and who they federate with. Some corners of the Fediverse block other corners of the Fediverse, but each corner has their own policies on what they block. It's more democratized that way, and if you disagree with one instance's moderation policies you can move to another while still interacting with the same communities. Alternatively, maybe you prefer a different interface or way of managing your online presence! There's any number of reasons you would want to use a federated service.
It makes sense that someone who runs their own centralized service wouldn't see the need for a federated service, because they can run their centralized service the way they want and don't have to worry about whether the staff of their chosen service agree with them, because as operator they hold sway over that.
One of the other benefits of an open protocol like ActivityPub is that people can hook into it in the future. For example, Pixelfed may be the only software solution in its class at the moment, but if someone wanted they could make their own independent version and it could be interoperable if they used ActivityPub plus the same conventions that Pixelfed does. Sure a platform could always create their own open protocol, but better to use an established open protocol instead of reinventing the wheel for every new service. That's even setting aside the possibility the some service will come along to unite all of the Fediverse under one app (Kbin is trying something like this I think).
Also they're totally wrong about the Kbin situation. Kbin is 100% compatible with Lemmy, if a little glitchy at times (early days, after all). It's only the main instance that's not federating, and that's because they are using Cloudflare to deal with the surge in popularity from Reddit. Under normal circumstances even the main instance can federate.
To be precise, this happens for posts between Mastodon and Pleroma too, and it's how improbability or standards simply is. Take W3C for example, some web sites work on Chromium, some on Firefox, and most on both. Or ProtonMail has its own E2EE scheme but still can communicate with other providers. Or a cars and horses both runs on asphalt and dirt roads, but some configurations do better than the others.
Not sure about Kbin, perhaps due to its immaturity, but group are known to work across implementations specialized for it (count Lemmy in as well), and those focus on microblogging, or both, e.g. Frendica.
The ability to access to the same infrastructure (i.e. fedi or all interconnected roads) even if less efficiently regardless of what one has is important for a society where people are truly free to choose where to live and who to do business with.
Seconded, it would be ideal if implementations are views of the network from the same endpoint. It would require an overspecifying protocol like Matrix instead of underspecifying like ActivityPub or XMPP for a backend to get hold of all necessary data, but that comes with the cost of making optimizations (which require context) incredibly difficult, e.g. in case of PeerTube. IMHO it's not something reasonably achievable, but technology is just part of the equation:
(As an outsider I don't see any functional difference between Twitter and Instagram, but let's say it's Facebook vs Spotify), as stated you won't have to choose between the N friends on X and M friends on Y. Though it might be harder to communicate with those on Y if you're on X, it's better than abandoning them. It's better, yet entirely optional, to be on both.
More importantly, improbability is future proof. New and presumably doper shits come along and share the same large user base. Old shits can stick around and people their can still connect. No more reliance on network effect and oligopolistic power to force feed ads, mass surveil, manipulate or roll out predatory pricing. Sure, not everyone can make use of the same features, even if that has any significance, socializing ranks higher in the priority list.
Ditto, although it's beneficial to view it in a different angle. Self-hostable isn't just about everyone can just spawn up a server. That's just P2P communication when it comes to social networking. Federation is more than that: though fediblock is a thing, being able to choose your alliance means you can have an admin respecting you and being able to connect with people with different associations, all while minimizing maintenance effort.
Decentralized system also means socially decentralized redundancy, which allows for data preservation even when intentionally removed (by a third party; right to be forgotten is another issue which requires cooperation on data handling;-)
Agreed. Just let's not make perfect be the enemy of good. Not saying there'll every be practical data migration across service providers, given the immense amount of moderation backlog when lack of personal trust from the admin; only wanna point out no centralized service even allow migrating one's network.