It’s Time to End Magical Thinking About Russia’s Defeat

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The US and Europe admit that they're been believing in their own propaganda about Russia and Putin.

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It's a war of attrition and Russia is losing. Insurgency inside of a major nation is a pretty good sign there will be civil war sooner rather than later.

Yes Russia is losing hahahahahaha

European union is losing, in fact, they already lost.

Sorry if that's too dense for your mind (more guns safer!!)

That's neat, very wrong and very dumb but ... Neat I guess.

Ukraine isn't part of the eu dumb dumb.

Something is dense but it seems to be you.

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give daddy's tablet back and stop skipping school.
your older self will thank you for it.

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Why does WSJ suddenly sound like Russian government sponsored media?

Take one guess. This is straight up propaganda

It’s an opinion essay. Why do people not understand that news organizations publish these, and that they don’t all represent the views of the paper? They will even publish multiple conflicting opinions. This has been a part of news for decades if not over a century. Why do people still not understand this?

Because they choose to publish it?

Who wrote it doesn’t bloody matter.

I guess you just can’t imagine anything other than pushing one’s own agenda. The concept that a news organization might want to publish in depth, well articulated opinions from a spectrum of different perspectives is just unthinkable in this polarized age of “my narrative or nothing.”

I can imagine them pushing their own agenda. It’s exactly what they’re doing pushing this propaganda.

Now let’s get to the real issue, why don’t think a newspaper isn’t responsible for what it publishes? Do you think they can wash it away by using a non-hired writer?

you just can’t imagine anything other than pushing one’s own agenda.

I can imagine them pushing their own agenda

DOH! That’s what I just said.

Oh my lord. I’ve already explained above how opinion sections work, twice. Newspapers provide space for opinion pieces across different perspectives. I’ve actually been in a newsroom and seen the discussions. But you shouldn’t need that to understand an open shared space in a newspaper. Like I said, I guess it’s just over your head. Words on paper! Paper come from WSJ!

I’ve been waiting and hoping for Russia to fail in their war and more than that: collapse. There are a thousand YT videos about how this is inevitable and imminent. This has been the case for a long time now. It keeps not happening. I’m willing to at least read an opinion piece from someone saying that maybe it never will and we should think that possibility through instead of continuing to hope for a watershed moment to deliver all our dreams.

Collapse on Russian government is a fantasy. They don't have a huge war and spy machine just for external threats, so they are not new to this game and a lot of powerful Russians have been "dropping out of windows". Russia is not that unified. It's a huge country with large number of various ethnicities and many of those don't feel very Russian. They just want to be left alone. Reality of Russias loses is startin to be weight on their shoulders and their war has been a failure and embarrassment for a long time now. Russias collapse wouldn't even be a very favorable outcome. World would just have a one more violent shithole where people kill each other and massacre the innocent.

Because you’ve been ingesting so much propaganda that you assume anything that veers from their narrative must be from your perceived enemy.

Wow they found a picture of Putin apparently smiling. I recall hearing a deepfake expert say that Putin was still hard to deepfake because there wasn’t enough footage of him out there with any variety of facial expressions, especially any smiling.

My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.

The only people engaging in magical thinking are the people who use the phrase as a defense mechanism in their articles. How long the Russo-Ukrainian war lasts is irrelevant as Russia will never stop until it runs out of countries to conquer or collapses. We are better off if Russia collapses into its constituent entities.

Yes. Soon it'll be Russia everywhere. And you'll be a slave and in prison. You'll be clearning Putin's shoes from dawn to dawn, looking into his eyes from bottom up. I'll be creating videos of you, uploading them onto Youtube on daily basis. Aren't you ok with this? It sounds awesome to me.

What? Did you write this article? I can't tell if you're kidding and agreeing with me or seriously mad and being sarcastic.

Putin's not going to stop with Ukraine. His expressed ideology is to conquer Europe. It's effectively manifest destiny for Russia, but all of Europe instead of the western US.

Kraut does a good job of covering this in his video, but it is kind of long. The point is, you don't have to take it from me.

I don't see why he would stop with Europe either. There are plenty of Middle Eastern countries that are close by that he can conquer too. Not to mention if Trump is reelected, the US is likely to pull out of NATO and become Russia's biggest ally.

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2023/10/24/trump-reportedly-open-to-pulling-u-s--out-of-nato

It's incredibly important for Russia to be defeated in Ukraine. The Ukrainians are going to be treated like second class citizens under Russia, or simply killed. And Russia is going to run out of non-NATO members to invade and all of us are going to be fighting this war next.

If you need evidence that Russia doesn't treat minorities well, take a look at this article.

Russia is well known for sending minorities to the meat grinder first.