Yeah this is kinda what i was expecting, zero consequences while news stories keep trying to make it sound like he's being destroyed. I imagine we're still gonna be hearing about Trumps latest appeal being struck down 10 years from now while still waiting on sentencing.
Just because this (and many other) news articles are filled with fluff to achieve SEO does not mean Trump isn't on a losing trajectory.
I wouldn't agree that the filings are entirely laughable - their claim that the harassment judges and staff are receiving isn't from Trump is true - so it bears hearing out in court. However it should be a straightforward thing, the federal prosecutors have hard numbers that show Trump's and his lawyers' public statements have directly led to an increase in threats, meanwhile the gag order led to a decrease.
We need to wait until the court hearing actually happens and the ruling is made for any real news on the matter.
However it should be a straightforward thing
Shouldnt it though? You'd think it'd be obvious how dangerous his rhetoric is after Jan 6th. But no, gag order goes on hold, wonder how many months and attempts on the lives of court staff itll take to reinstate it.
I have serious doubts about this motherfucker surviving another 10 years. I certainly wouldn't place a bet on it
I been followin this guys bullshit since 2008 when he launched his political career by being a racist conspiracy theory nutjob shouting about Obama not being born in America despite a publicly available birth certificate from the beginning. Surely...surely this is political suicide I thought. And ever since it's just been a long series of "surely this time". He wont be the republican nominee. He wont be president. and then he contracted the virus that was killing millions, and I was like you. This unhealthy old man. But it never happens.
This definitely tracks with reality. Thats for certain. Until we see otherwise, and not just wishful thinking, it’s safe to assume the default is exactly this.
Filling idiotic motions doesn't typically come with consequences, unless he tries repeats.
I get the cynicism, but it's not really warranted for this nothingburger of a court report. Just more illustration that his lawyers suck at their job and can't control their client.
Threatening the court does typically come with consequences. This article calls this filing tired and laughable, but Trump is still not under gag order. Not to mention the court case itself being about crimes alleged years ago.
If you heard the court arguments why the defense thinks the stay should remain, even the appellate court thinks he's getting far too many free passes on his speech, and the defense couldn't cite a single case where somebody was treated so leniently.
If I had done the same shit he did to the judge who ruled on my divorce, I'd still be in prison.
I’m actually curious if this would count as precedent in court. “Trump did it and the judge disregarded it, surely I can do the same you honor.”
Filing motions that inevitably get thrown out or result in court cases Trump loses, allow Trump to paint himself as a victim and underdog, and rail against the establishment and elites. This helps his campaign.
They're not necessarily idiotic from a political standpoint.
For sure. This is all political theater to him, even if there's serious consequences attached.
Did it delay proceedings so the filing can be considered? Then it served it's intended purpose.
ALL of his legal filings are laughable.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump's lawyers have been accused of submitting laughable legal filings, as they say why the former president does not need a gag order ahead of his federal election trial.
Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance was reacting to Trump's legal team saying that threats made to the judge and court staff overseeing the former president's civil fraud trial in New York are irrelevant to arguments as to whether a gag order is needed in the case.
Circuit Court of Appeals is weighing up narrowing the gag order imposed on Trump by Judge Tanya Chutkan in the federal election case to stop him publicly attacking potential witnesses in the trial.
The affidavit added that, since the New York gag order was lifted on November 16, which allowed Trump to resume attacking Greenfield, the law clerk has been receiving around 20 to 30 calls per day to her personal cell phone and 30 to 50 messages on social media and to her email.
"Ms. Greenfield also informed me that, since the interim stay was issued lifting the gag orders on November 16, 2023, approximately half of the harassing and disparaging messages have been antisemitic," Hollon wrote.
In the November 23 filings, Cecil Vandevender, an assistant special counsel for the DOJ, said the affidavit in New York was proof of the ongoing threats and harassment surrounding Trump, which had been requested by the appeals court.
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Yeah this is kinda what i was expecting, zero consequences while news stories keep trying to make it sound like he's being destroyed. I imagine we're still gonna be hearing about Trumps latest appeal being struck down 10 years from now while still waiting on sentencing.
Just because this (and many other) news articles are filled with fluff to achieve SEO does not mean Trump isn't on a losing trajectory.
I wouldn't agree that the filings are entirely laughable - their claim that the harassment judges and staff are receiving isn't from Trump is true - so it bears hearing out in court. However it should be a straightforward thing, the federal prosecutors have hard numbers that show Trump's and his lawyers' public statements have directly led to an increase in threats, meanwhile the gag order led to a decrease.
We need to wait until the court hearing actually happens and the ruling is made for any real news on the matter.
Shouldnt it though? You'd think it'd be obvious how dangerous his rhetoric is after Jan 6th. But no, gag order goes on hold, wonder how many months and attempts on the lives of court staff itll take to reinstate it.
I have serious doubts about this motherfucker surviving another 10 years. I certainly wouldn't place a bet on it
I been followin this guys bullshit since 2008 when he launched his political career by being a racist conspiracy theory nutjob shouting about Obama not being born in America despite a publicly available birth certificate from the beginning. Surely...surely this is political suicide I thought. And ever since it's just been a long series of "surely this time". He wont be the republican nominee. He wont be president. and then he contracted the virus that was killing millions, and I was like you. This unhealthy old man. But it never happens.
This definitely tracks with reality. Thats for certain. Until we see otherwise, and not just wishful thinking, it’s safe to assume the default is exactly this.
Filling idiotic motions doesn't typically come with consequences, unless he tries repeats.
I get the cynicism, but it's not really warranted for this nothingburger of a court report. Just more illustration that his lawyers suck at their job and can't control their client.
Threatening the court does typically come with consequences. This article calls this filing tired and laughable, but Trump is still not under gag order. Not to mention the court case itself being about crimes alleged years ago.
If you heard the court arguments why the defense thinks the stay should remain, even the appellate court thinks he's getting far too many free passes on his speech, and the defense couldn't cite a single case where somebody was treated so leniently.
If I had done the same shit he did to the judge who ruled on my divorce, I'd still be in prison.
I’m actually curious if this would count as precedent in court. “Trump did it and the judge disregarded it, surely I can do the same you honor.”
Filing motions that inevitably get thrown out or result in court cases Trump loses, allow Trump to paint himself as a victim and underdog, and rail against the establishment and elites. This helps his campaign.
They're not necessarily idiotic from a political standpoint.
For sure. This is all political theater to him, even if there's serious consequences attached.
Did it delay proceedings so the filing can be considered? Then it served it's intended purpose.
ALL of his legal filings are laughable.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump's lawyers have been accused of submitting laughable legal filings, as they say why the former president does not need a gag order ahead of his federal election trial.
Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance was reacting to Trump's legal team saying that threats made to the judge and court staff overseeing the former president's civil fraud trial in New York are irrelevant to arguments as to whether a gag order is needed in the case.
Circuit Court of Appeals is weighing up narrowing the gag order imposed on Trump by Judge Tanya Chutkan in the federal election case to stop him publicly attacking potential witnesses in the trial.
The affidavit added that, since the New York gag order was lifted on November 16, which allowed Trump to resume attacking Greenfield, the law clerk has been receiving around 20 to 30 calls per day to her personal cell phone and 30 to 50 messages on social media and to her email.
"Ms. Greenfield also informed me that, since the interim stay was issued lifting the gag orders on November 16, 2023, approximately half of the harassing and disparaging messages have been antisemitic," Hollon wrote.
In the November 23 filings, Cecil Vandevender, an assistant special counsel for the DOJ, said the affidavit in New York was proof of the ongoing threats and harassment surrounding Trump, which had been requested by the appeals court.
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