U.S. House Vote Narrowly Allows Rampant Abuses of Warrantless Spying Authority to Continue (US focused)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/15271710
Not a good result. The good amendment to add a warrant requirement failed on a tie vote; bad amendments to expand the scope of warrantless wiretapping passed. Next step: a Senate vote.
If they expect me to take the Constitution seriously they'll need to do the same.
What a joke of a country.
"All men are created equal"
Is slave state
always has been.
Brought to us by the same people saying we need to protect democracy
Republicans don't say that and they control the house
Get a clue or a brain.
I'm talking about Democrats
And many of those votes in favor also claim we need to save Democracy
Here’s your privacy friendly reminder that the government is currently incapable of decrypting end-to-end encrypted (E2EE) transmissions like iMessage, FaceTime, Signal, Viber, Telegram, WhatsApp, Protonmail, etc.
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act establishes procedures for the surveillance and collection of foreign intelligence on domestic soil. If foreign agents are using communications signals to communicate with someone in the US, the government must go to the FISA court and obtain a warrant for surveillance. This is how we found out about Trump Jr. Contact with Russian agents. Catches a lot of spies. On the whole, better to have than not
The FBI routinely uses its authority under FISA Section 702 to get information on Americans without a warrant, ignoring the processes that are supposed to be put in place to protect people. This has nothing to do with the FISA Title III authority that was used to get information about Carter Page, no matter what you and Trump think. If you warrantless surveillance of Americans is good, then by all means you should indeed be cheering this vote -- because they extended the scope of what information they can get at without a warrant.
If on the other hand you think civil liberties are worth protecting, then you might take a moment to stop to think that there was bipartisan support, including progressive Democrats, for introducing reforms like a warrant requirement while still keeping the ability to surveil foreign agents in place. But opinions differ, there are plenty of people in both parties who don't think civil liberties are worth protecting, so if you're one of them you've got a lot of company.
The FISA court provides warrants, it's what they do. If I was a legal compliance officer at a Telcom, I wouldn't move my ass for anything but a warrant. A tap without a warrant is illegal and puts the operating company in jeopardy.
From the article:
OK. There are no laws against the NSA picking up.foreign communications. In fact, that's the reason they exist. So they monitor a phone call originating from Moscow, say, of a person they find of interest. All of a sudden, that guy makes a call to someone in the US. Should the NSA simply hang up and not find out what it's all about due to a lack of warrant? Also, the technology doesn't make that immediately possible.
The courts have decided that text messages, as well as mobile tracking, do not need lawful warrants. Usually you don't apply for a warrant when you don't need one.
BTW, phone records are actually operating company business records. You don't own them.
Yes.
There, that was easy.
First of all, it's a computer take and no hangups can be done. Nobody is listening real time.
Secondly, what you miss could kill you. But, I guess you know better.
I'm sure as I type this there are men beating their wives and children, maybe to death.
Should the government put cameras in every house to prevent this?
If not, why do you hate women and children and want them to die?
What if they never wrote "bin Laden Determined to Strike US" because they didn't know? Would you still think they were doing their jobs as you sipped your morning coffee atop the WTC?
The Patriot Act* didn't exist before 9/11. Your argument is invalid.
Also, the NSA can get the FBI to get a warrant for the person in the US. We already have mechanisms for monitoring communications in the US.
* It's actually called the USA PATRIOT Act, which is an acronym for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism." I prefer the acronym U SAP AT RIOT/
FISA has existed since 1978
Section 702 has only existed since 2008.
They got that information before section 702 was a thing. You're supporting GWB's wiretapping policy.
That's actually not true, but I expect that you only posted so you could downvote further.
The memo gwb ignored before 9/11 was before section 702 existed. 702 didn't go into effect until 2008.
If you don't want me to downvote you, don't lie in support of a gwb policy.
Lotta people just don't understand this.