Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation
Meta post I've decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.
But you definitely shouldn't use racist slang to refer to the process.
To be clear, I didn't know the origin of the term 'ricing' until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it's from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.
After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.
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I disagree.
Ricers, in the 80s, as a term that referred to Japanese cars (Honda, Toyota) who burned rice instead of gas. This is bad. Full stop.
From there, rice, in the 90s-00s, referred to the Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement: typically bolted onto Honda and Toyota, it moved from that to any cosmetic car customization 10s.
Now we are in 20s, and rice refers to customizations that represent one’s personal choices regarding cosmetic enhancements.
Is that a bad thing?
Why should a word be locked in on a definition from 40 yrs ago? Why should it be stuck in the past?
Why not reclaim a word? Customizing a desktop is a labor of love. It takes a decent amount of time, and is deeply personal, representing one’s own taste.
are you white by any chance
You're not disregarding someone opinion based on race per chance.
white isn't a race
It's also something somebody can't control. So it's still shitty to ask them that.
It's really not shitty to ask if they have the background to understand what racism is to people who experience it. I grew up blessed with a good community, and experiencing racism for the first time when I moved away is still one of the most painful things I've ever felt.
Or why not find our own words? Words aren't "locked" in on a single definition, but rather carry their whole host of definitions and history with them. You have to judge diction on all its fronts. Reclaiming a word means being part of the group that the term has actively disparaged (ex: reclaiming words like "queer") . Using "rice" is not an act of reclaiming in this context and we shouldn't view it that way.
That is actual bs. Rice doesn’t bother me - I don’t read rice with a racial connection, at all. Just doesn’t exist for me. It is food and something that’s been customized.
I say fuck it. Shatter the limitations of fraudulent history; don’t just go punk, go full cyberpunk.
The major culture is hung up in non issues; and why not? So go counter to the culture:
rice your desktop.
You do you however. I am not here to say how you should think and do.
It's a term used to racially exclude people by calling Asian car enthusiasts tacky posers. Is that really the energy we want to bring (or rather keep) to the Linux community?
I don’t think it matters.
Can you be sure of that? And if it did matter to the public image of the Linux community, would agree to stop using that term, or is using a word that to this day has racist connotations more important to you than ensuring that all members of the Linux community feel welcome?
I see a lot of assumptions that rice, not a racist term, is a racist term. shrug
You go to the grocery store, grain aisle, and there is a bag of rice. What pops into your head?
Me, a tasty grain that complements many meals.
Ricing is a racist term. I am telling you right now that it is a racist term referring to a type of car modding that Asians are stereotyped as doing. It is explicitly used to deride and exclude Asians from the car enthusiast community. Anyone who's into cars or around people who are has heard this term, but you can Google it if you want.
What does it say about you that you'll deny basic, well known facts to defend using such an exclusionary term in a tiny community with a large amount of Asians in it?
I think you are making shit up.
I have been around a ton of cars and car people. Rice was never used to describe Asians.
A ford focus with a huge wing? Rice
A civic with a massive ground effects? Rice
A twin turbo Supra with nitro? Tuned.
The ethnicity of the driver or country of origin never came into it, East Coast, West Coast.
Is hoopty racist? No. Neither is rice.
Oh really? Do the whites you hang out with use the term refer to any car mod you don't like? Have you asked them where the term comes from?
Haha. I don’t make fun of ppl for their personal choices or their ideology. What is the point in that? Express yourself. Takes all kinds.
I don’t look to be offended nor look to offend.
Thank you for listening to my TED talk.
I'm not making fun of anybody.
If you want me to express myself then I will: I don't like you, and if I knew you irl, I would think less of you after this conversation.
Asian American into car culture here. Ricing and ricers are still derogatory and racist terms to this day. Do not mistake your ignorance of something that no one would bother to tell you for knowledge that it's not true.
Aww man I am sorry to read that. I haven’t seen it personally; sorry you have. Where are you located where being Asian and into cars got you slurs? That is uncool.
It was Indiana at the time, as far as getting cars and racism getting mixed together in one experience for me. These days I'm in Texas, but haven't engaged too much with the car culture here yet.
Edit: btw, sorry for my tone in my previous comment, I was honestly getting pretty worked up going through the comments in this post.
All good. I am genuinely here just for cool desktops and probably shouldn’t have engaged at all as it just distracted from that.
I think what is interesting about online communities is how little impact they have in the real world, yet there is a feeling of impact.
For example, whether rice is in or out, will have no bearing on what happened to you or may happen again, which makes me sad.
Any chance of making a lasting change by winning hearts and minds is lost in a sea of win at all cost hyperbole. Real stories always matter my friend. Hopefully Texas is more chill for you.
As someone that was very into cars (still kind of am but not nearly so much) and tuner culture. Yes, "rice" in the context of customizing a machine to your specific performance needs has always had racist baggage and likely always will. This is a weird hill to die on bud, and it makes you look very sus.
I'm curious if we have a detailed historic analysis of the origin of the term.
I always figured it came form the "rice burner" mocking for Japanese motorbikes and cars. I figured this was mostly a pick about their relatively low performance. Aside from the "Asians eat rice" source material, is that intended as an insult to Asians in general, or more directed to the design committees at Toyota and Honda-- that they couldn't design a car capable of burning petrol?
To try a parallel concept: If an x86-64 enthusiast made fun of an ARM chip by saying it was "manufactured on a crumpet substrate" would that be an insult against the British, or more using that it comes from a British firm to provide vocabulary for a product-related insult?
OTOH, I never really saw the term widely used to describe a desktop configuration before here, and it feels weird because of that more than anything else. I'm trying to remember if it was seen in the "PC Case Mod" community circa 2000, because they actually used a fair number of techniques and ideas from the car tuning scene that also used the "ricing" term (lots of cold-cathode lighting and weird 12v accessories)
If you want to do the research be my guest, but I'm telling you right now, I've only ever heard the term used to mock an Asian person's car mods.
There's you answer. It is disrespect based on ethnicity.
Then you should be fine with not using the term, right? Why are you working so hard to defend a word you claim you don't see much? You have put all this effort into justifying using a word you have been told several times is racist that apparently other people don't use according to you.
Would you agree that a word that was so racist is now being demolished of it's original bad meaning and something inclusive is being built in it's place is a good thing?
A sort of reformation or curing? After all, racist words were not racist until racists started using those words to be racist.
I’m seeing a bunch of tacked on cosmetic bits made to give the look of performance to computers. According to another post, that one-for-one matches my last known definition to the term.
Also nonracists using a racist term doesnt make the term stop being racist. Curing doesnt start by not meaning it when you keep using the racist term. You dont bandage a stab wound by continually stabbing the victim.
It does though. Gay was used to mean happy. Now it means homosexuals. Inbetween, it used to be a slang... now it no longer is. There's nothing in humanity as fluid as language.
Teaching people who are not aware that it's racist IS stabbing a wound that was healing (by other people who were making it mean something cool and inclusive).
gay was reclaimed by gay people. do you see the difference?
As an Asian American into both car and computer culture, I have not ever felt a desire to embrace and reclaim this word, that from its inception only ever had derogatory meaning. Any attempt to force this word upon me in the name of "reclaiming" it will only offend me.
All these people saying we should reclaim this word have no fucking clue what it feels like.
No. This framing is incredibly foolish. If a term is hurtful to a group of people, you stop using it in favor of other words, otherwise you demonstrate you dont care that it is hurtful to a group of people, hence “continually stabbing the victim”
If a word changes it’s general meaning in normal day use… from something so bad to something that’s no longer associated with said bad thing… is it really bad? What about gay then? That term has be co-opted by homosexual men. Do you suggest we stop using the word gay?
Why don't you like that words are being declawed from their original poisonous nature?
We can stop right there
You want to be close minded? That’s on you.
I dont see how you can defend this. You acknowledge it’s based on a racist term. There’s no reclamation going on, you just lifted context and addressed none of the problems. And no part of you is saying “we could probably use another work here” in all of this?
Defend what?
How is rice racist? Japanese cars were called ricers for a brief moment 40 yrs ago. It is derogatory towards two Japanese corporations.
Where are people entering the equation?
Are you sure you don’t have a you problem?
Note - people can call their setups as they please. This is unixporn. Call it my desktop $ shot for all I care. I am not into rules in this case; my convictions end with me, as that is our shared limit.
They were not called that “for a brief moment” it’s been used to put down import tuner cars for decades by people who’d rather drive mustangs and camaros. It was meant to put down:
It’s so obviously loaded with racist connotation that I dont know why you’d want to defend it so badly.
Also it’s not two manufacturers. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mistubishi were all putting out sporty cars that were getting performance numbers rivaling v8 block american cars at the time
It was not a brief moment, it's still used that way to this day in modern car culture.
I disagree. People who weren't there when the term was racist are only aware of it being racist because it was revealed to be a old racist term.
It was racist WITHIN MY OWN LIFETIME unless you fell out the applecart yesterday that still applies to you.
I am constantly amazed at how many people online seem to have fallen off of the turnip truck yesterday.
That's an incredibly narrow minded view.
Are you fucking stupid, you think Japanese cars used to run on rice?
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No one thinks any cars actually burned rice to run, they were saying that's how the term originated (from a racist joke). But let's just jump straight to cussing people out and personal attacks.
Oh no, I jumped straight to cussing people out and conducting personal attacks against somebody trying to argue for continual use of a racist term
You're plainly in the wrong here in terms of behaviour. But I also know there's no getting through to you based on your behaviour.
You're a tone policing dweeb arguing in support of being racist. If you need more context for the history of the term, please read further here
I have said nothing on my opinions on this issue other than to call you out for being a dipshit. Keep assuming. It seems to be all I've witnessed except from a very small majority from your instance.
so you have no opinion and you decided to get mad at the person cussing out the racist guy?
Why don't you watch YOUR behavior
You just called her a dipshit, why are you resorting to personal attacks?
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Great bit account how did I just discover about you
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Yeah I should have said acting like a dipshit. But I'm glad that's the only thing you were able to focus on lol.
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Not OP but, You're missing the point. This fact about the word rice is new to a lot of folks here, including me. You're hellbent on proving that everybody is in on some racist circle that's perpetuating the use of this word.
If a word changes it's general meaning in normal day use... from something so bad to something that's no longer associated with said bad thing... is it really bad? What about gay then? That term has be co-opted by homosexual men. Do you suggest we stop using the word gay? Then I would call you a reactionary.
This is why we're in this thread trying to educate you, my child.
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