i remember times, when we encouraged women to get out of selling their bodies instead of celebrating it and tell our daughters as a society that it's fine to do a few years of onlyfans and porn. i miss those times.
also, not technology.
We encourage women to use their bodies for sport, for fashion, for art, for drama, for motherhood... who are you to say that they shouldn't by their own free-will do another profession or service?
Sex work is still work. People will choose to do it for a wide variety of reasons. Online they can be completely in control of how they do it and who they choose to work with and for.
You can be a prude if you wish, but sex work is one of, if not the oldest profession out there. It's going to exist whether you like it or not. Let's just make sure people aren't exploited against their wishes and that they can work safely and in full control of their own actions
"We encourage women to use their bodies for sport, for fashion, for art, for drama, for motherhood…" - stopped reading there.
"I have an opinion and I refuse to hear any other perspectives incase they cause me to think about anything".
look, the moment you put motherood into the discussion about the pros and cons of prostitution i don't care about what you have to say about it.
Yes, you really didn't read anything else I wrote did you. Good to see that Lemmy is just as full of people who feel the need to spout their opinions but don't actually want to engage with anyone else's. Why should people listen to you if you don't want to listen to anyone else?
i don't care about some online dudes explaining why (self)exploitation of girls and women can be stunning and brave, you can gaslight yourself as much as you want, i won't buy it. reminds me of a radio program i heard about a year ago when they tried to make a case how child labour isn't such a bad thing as long as they are allowed to unionize.
Many people sell their bodies which we celebrate. Construction, heavy labor, mining etc. are regular people who sell their body for their living and they are all protected and regulated. We celebrate selling your body every time we watch sports for these athletes who entertain us. Every Sunday most of the US celebrates men who sell their body on the football field for our entertainment. Why is selling nude any different?
Yeah, I saw that south park episode too.
The fact that South Park discussed a point isn’t itself an argument against that point.
I never said it was.
I haven't. But the point still stands
I guess the difference is selling your body because you have no choice vs selling your body because it's a safe well paying alternative to being exploited in ways you have no control over.
sure buddy, being a prostitute is the safest way for a women to have her body and soul exploited AND it's very well paid, i guess most of them are just doing it wrong. dig your forced anticapitalist comment, really.
OnlyFans models are sex workers too, for instance. Maybe your view of what a sex worker is is a bit outdated?
can't wait for them to realize 10yrs later that they will never wipe their "content" from the web again.
People know that and still make the choice. Plus, your schadenfreude at the prospect of future suffering for former sex workers is fucking gross. You just want see people (women, specifically, I’d bet) who have sex you don’t like get harmed. That’s fucked up.
So here is the thing, why is it a problem or not if I was to post my naked ass online and it never got wiped off?
It would only be an issue if say governments and people like you decide to shame or prosecute me for it.
If we were to make it safe then it would not matter would it?
Maybe they don't feel shame about their bodies, so that won't bother them.
look, i get it, i'm the bad guy here, society moved on, etc - but unlike most of you i actually know woment who felt down this rabbit hole. i know women who thought they can just hustle low key "services" als independents on the side, poaching clients via social media, private ads and whatsapp. one of them got roughed up by a pimp for "not paying the fee", got roughed up a second time for talking to the cops and guess what happend, when she wanted to quit and refused to work for said pimp and his wider sex trafficking organisation? or another one who thought it would be easy money to do some onlyfans shootings until she got doxxed, catched a stalker and had to move.
and if you think legal prostitution is any better, think again. have you never wondered why the "girls" in brothels are mostly foreign women? human trafficking is a thing. it's slavery. always was, always will be.
but yeah, let's gaslight young women to prostitute themselves to several degrees under the disguise of "body positivity" and "freedom".
Why would you have a pimp for an OnlyFans account?
those were two seperate examples.
Which one applies to a self-run OnlyFans account?
"or another one who thought it would be easy money to do some onlyfans shootings until she got doxxed, catched a stalker and had to move."
Sorry, missed that. That could happen on Lemmy. It has happened on Reddit. Should we make all social media illegal?
that's not the point, doxxing is illegal in most countries anyways. it's about that most young (!) women already grew up taking selfies and the occasional nude for their bf thinking about monetizing this "for a while". it's a toxic circle where often naive women cater to creeps and potential stalkers, going further down the hole and "some nudes" become "hardcore on request", being groomed by paying customers and then it's not an easy paycheck anymore. it's just like it often happens with porn actresses: "i'll just do some scenes" and some time later they have to take "private appointments" with premium customers, falling down into full fledged prostitution.
onlyfans is especially dangerous, because once they lose control over their content, it's out there and will never go away. and the chance is high that a few years later, when they try to distance themselves from "that phase", it won't be possible, because the internet doesn't forget - have fun with face recognition software. prostitution will never go away, but as a society we shouldn't endose it. it's not the vhs age anymore.
i remember times, when we encouraged women to get out of selling their bodies instead of celebrating it and tell our daughters as a society that it's fine to do a few years of onlyfans and porn. i miss those times.
also, not technology.
We encourage women to use their bodies for sport, for fashion, for art, for drama, for motherhood... who are you to say that they shouldn't by their own free-will do another profession or service?
Sex work is still work. People will choose to do it for a wide variety of reasons. Online they can be completely in control of how they do it and who they choose to work with and for.
You can be a prude if you wish, but sex work is one of, if not the oldest profession out there. It's going to exist whether you like it or not. Let's just make sure people aren't exploited against their wishes and that they can work safely and in full control of their own actions
"We encourage women to use their bodies for sport, for fashion, for art, for drama, for motherhood…" - stopped reading there.
"I have an opinion and I refuse to hear any other perspectives incase they cause me to think about anything".
look, the moment you put motherood into the discussion about the pros and cons of prostitution i don't care about what you have to say about it.
Yes, you really didn't read anything else I wrote did you. Good to see that Lemmy is just as full of people who feel the need to spout their opinions but don't actually want to engage with anyone else's. Why should people listen to you if you don't want to listen to anyone else?
i don't care about some online dudes explaining why (self)exploitation of girls and women can be stunning and brave, you can gaslight yourself as much as you want, i won't buy it. reminds me of a radio program i heard about a year ago when they tried to make a case how child labour isn't such a bad thing as long as they are allowed to unionize.
Because more people are coerced into motherhood and it makes you uncomfortable?
Good advertising for your idiocy.
Probably the reason why you never learn anything.
Many people sell their bodies which we celebrate. Construction, heavy labor, mining etc. are regular people who sell their body for their living and they are all protected and regulated. We celebrate selling your body every time we watch sports for these athletes who entertain us. Every Sunday most of the US celebrates men who sell their body on the football field for our entertainment. Why is selling nude any different?
Yeah, I saw that south park episode too.
The fact that South Park discussed a point isn’t itself an argument against that point.
I never said it was.
I haven't. But the point still stands
I guess the difference is selling your body because you have no choice vs selling your body because it's a safe well paying alternative to being exploited in ways you have no control over.
sure buddy, being a prostitute is the safest way for a women to have her body and soul exploited AND it's very well paid, i guess most of them are just doing it wrong. dig your forced anticapitalist comment, really.
OnlyFans models are sex workers too, for instance. Maybe your view of what a sex worker is is a bit outdated?
can't wait for them to realize 10yrs later that they will never wipe their "content" from the web again.
People know that and still make the choice. Plus, your schadenfreude at the prospect of future suffering for former sex workers is fucking gross. You just want see people (women, specifically, I’d bet) who have sex you don’t like get harmed. That’s fucked up.
So here is the thing, why is it a problem or not if I was to post my naked ass online and it never got wiped off?
It would only be an issue if say governments and people like you decide to shame or prosecute me for it.
If we were to make it safe then it would not matter would it?
Maybe they don't feel shame about their bodies, so that won't bother them.
look, i get it, i'm the bad guy here, society moved on, etc - but unlike most of you i actually know woment who felt down this rabbit hole. i know women who thought they can just hustle low key "services" als independents on the side, poaching clients via social media, private ads and whatsapp. one of them got roughed up by a pimp for "not paying the fee", got roughed up a second time for talking to the cops and guess what happend, when she wanted to quit and refused to work for said pimp and his wider sex trafficking organisation? or another one who thought it would be easy money to do some onlyfans shootings until she got doxxed, catched a stalker and had to move.
and if you think legal prostitution is any better, think again. have you never wondered why the "girls" in brothels are mostly foreign women? human trafficking is a thing. it's slavery. always was, always will be.
but yeah, let's gaslight young women to prostitute themselves to several degrees under the disguise of "body positivity" and "freedom".
Why would you have a pimp for an OnlyFans account?
those were two seperate examples.
Which one applies to a self-run OnlyFans account?
"or another one who thought it would be easy money to do some onlyfans shootings until she got doxxed, catched a stalker and had to move."
Sorry, missed that. That could happen on Lemmy. It has happened on Reddit. Should we make all social media illegal?
that's not the point, doxxing is illegal in most countries anyways. it's about that most young (!) women already grew up taking selfies and the occasional nude for their bf thinking about monetizing this "for a while". it's a toxic circle where often naive women cater to creeps and potential stalkers, going further down the hole and "some nudes" become "hardcore on request", being groomed by paying customers and then it's not an easy paycheck anymore. it's just like it often happens with porn actresses: "i'll just do some scenes" and some time later they have to take "private appointments" with premium customers, falling down into full fledged prostitution.
onlyfans is especially dangerous, because once they lose control over their content, it's out there and will never go away. and the chance is high that a few years later, when they try to distance themselves from "that phase", it won't be possible, because the internet doesn't forget - have fun with face recognition software. prostitution will never go away, but as a society we shouldn't endose it. it's not the vhs age anymore.