Defederating was the right call. The_Donald is being hosted on sh.itjust.works.
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The admin of sh.itjust.works has been approached but as of yet has failed to reply to concerned Lemmy users. I’m glad Beehaw admins look out for us by cutting off instances that host communities like this.
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In the discussion at https://lemmy.ml/post/1467310, one of shitjustworks admins just replied:
He still thinks TD could grow into something beautiful...
i think you should assume good faith but i will say as a user it... does not really inspire confidence that this needs to be "reviewed" when it's like two people doing the unfunniest bit imaginable. this should be a pretty easy nuke, and it really shouldn't need the community weighing in. letting it stand will eventually let the cretins fester.
Not just nuking the donald community. But banning each and every subbed community member. Else they'll still be there, roaming the instance and spreading malicious ideas.
Yeah, that feels like crossing a line for me. I don't believe in guilt by association.
How do you know somebody didn't just subscribe to monitor them?
Nor does it take into account that people's views can change, and an outright ban simply for being part of the community only isolates them from the less batshit communities that may help them actually move away from it.
I recently read a letter by Dietrich Bonnhoefer, who was a German Lutheran pastor and anti-Nazi dissident, who was imprisoned in 1943, hanged by Hitler's personal directive in April 1945.
His letter is titled "On Stupidity" and it explains A LOT.
Yeah, I've known plenty of antifascists subscribed to, or otherwise technically "members" of awful online spaces just to keep an eye on things.
you lot are going to be the death of this place
Well, the dude has a vision that the community should discuss it first, they have, and it's now deleted.
Just wanted to let you know that you can mark the community as "removed" on your backend and it'll disappear from beehaw even if you federate to the the s.j.w instance.
I also wanted to let you know that The Dude created a "Greek Democracy" style system called The Agora. That's probably what he means by "review". He said a few days ago that anything important would be thrown there for the crowd to decide.
I have little doubt that by the end of the week the 1 or 2 users running TD won't have a home there anymore.
i'm aware, and i've stated already why i don't think this is worth that (and separately, i have extreme reservations about using a system of that sort to make decisions like this).
Noted. Thanks for clarifying. I think he just wants to give his little pet project Agora a test run to start things up since he just set it up lol. I bet if it were a month into it he wouldn't do that.
Says more about admins honestly. Sh.itjust.works is going to become a sh.it.hole.
maybe. but i'm not in the business of telling The Dude how to personally administer his community as a fellow admin--hence me taking off the mod cap for that post--and we don't really have any reason to think The Dude is a bad guy or that his instance has bad intentions. hopefully it'll just resolve on its own.
The dude abides.... having the_donald on his instance! ba-dum-tiss
This aggression will not stand, man!
OVER THE LINE!
What part of the last fifteem or so years of human history leads you to the fairly surprising assertion that you should assume good faith?
i'm not entirely sure what you mean here tbh
They mean that they think that humans in general are very bad because war and theft and hunger and greed and all of that. I mean there's a shitton more than that in life but yeah I think that was their point.
It only becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if you go into every situation thinking like that. Most people are pretty decent, it's only that they try to do what they believe is right.
Taking off your mod cap doesn't give you the distance you think it does. You essentially contradicted the pinned mod post you made.
we're pretty upfront about where we stand on like, everything, so i don't think it's too much to ask of you to actually provide evidence of supposed contradictions.
Sure, one of the bullet points is assume good faith. You said otherwise.
if you're going to do UM AKSHUALLY rebuttals, it might behoove you to read the posts you're doing that to, instead of making an ass of yourself. this was, quite literally, the first thing i said to the poster.
i just also have reservations about this, because in my mind as a user i do not think this really needs to be reviewed. it's not a "community", it's like two people who have been overwhelmingly downvoted and pretty clearly conflict with what i assume are the goals of SJW.
you need to reread my post. I am challenging that your statement "as a user" is putting any distance between you as mod. It carries the same weight as yelling I declare bankruptcy.
i sincerely don't care what you think about this incredibly meaningless point. go sealion somewhere else, thanks
I learned a new word today! Thank you.
Who exactly cares
I honestly don't even give people who are even tolerant of those people any consideration at this point. Either completely remove the community no ifs ands or buts, or your entire instance is illegitimate. Period.
Well, most users already banned it when it was created, then of course when more attention was brought to it the trolls got what they wanted and ran with it.
It's now been removed anyway.
"Just let the nazis congregate... it could turn out ok!"
I mean if they start saying outright nazi shit it's already in the rules there that they get the boot. But one person getting off to themselves making cringe political memes that were old nearly a decade ago is, well, just that.
I guess I just think that it's a teeny, tiny bit dangerous to make out like this is actually them hosting a community of nazis, when it's essentially one user -- we have no idea how many of the small handful of people subscribed to it share their affiliations, versus how many are subbed just to keep an eye on their bs or even just to downvote their posts (personally I think those people would be wasting their time, but they certainly exist).
What @truckkun@lemm.ee said seemed pretty believable to me:
(Much as I agree it's unnecessary to get communal consent to nuke what could only develop -- at best -- into a well of negativity.)
I think that at best he'll just get bored. I think that what you say is the "at worst".
That's why I'm not really worried either way. Unless they 100% fail to enforce their own rule, the second it goes beyond braindead political shitposting he's going to be out of there anyway.
Having a rule against bigotry that is entirely ignored would be much more concerning than one wayward fool anyway.
Well, if they would congregate, they would be easier to identify and block/ban.
They do congregate. And they have already been banned. Lol. Their main communities are elsewhere. The TD instance is defederated. This is just some guy with too much time, thick skin and a bit of sadism trying to bother people with his ideas.
originally the subreddit was ironic and making fun of supporters of trump (I think the name was that somebody (Melania?) referred to him with "the" article.
Then it quickly was overrun with people who truly believed that.
Anyway, I also agree that anyone currently creating this community will likely be one of the later group.
It just feels incorrect to even label it TD because it (as far as I can tell) has no relevant connection to that pile of filth beyond its "topic", ultimately being only one person.
So much for beehaw folks assuming good intent...
i dont see them assuming bad faith anywhere in their comment
Where does he say that he thinks it could still grow into something beautiful? You are commiting logical fallacies and cognitive distortions.