Biden is targeting Trump's 'extremist movement' as he makes democracy a touchtone in reelection bid

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Biden is targeting Trump's 'extremist movement' as he makes democracy a touchtone in reelection bid
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President Joe Biden is arguing that “there is something dangerous happening in America” as he revives his warnings that Donald Trump and his allies represent an existential threat to the country’s democratic institutions.

There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy. The MAGA movement,” Biden says in excerpts of the speech Thursday in Arizona, released in advance by the White House, referring Trump’s Make America Great Again slogan.

Although voting in the 2024 Republican primary doesn’t begin for months, Biden’s focus reflects Trump’s status as the undisputed frontrunner for his party’s nomination despite facing four indictments, two of them related to his attempts to overturn Biden’s victory in the 2020 election.

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Oh my god; someone still selling the ridiculous narrative that these white supremacist fascists are being white supremacist fascists because of "economic anxiety"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/politics/trump-economic-anxiety.html

What they fear is losing the privileged status of white supremacy in America; what they're desperate to stop is a more equal society. They didn't march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil." They've been telling us, loudly, for years what it's all really about and people still want to believe it's about economics as if there weren't dozens of very well-off people arrested for trying to attack Congress on January 6th.

It's undeniable that more economic opportunity would shrink their pool of possible supporters, even if it would never eliminate that pool. We don't have to stop every from being a white supremacist; we just need to stop them from coming up with the power to topple our government.

This reminds me of a good saying. The worst enemy of progress is doing nothing while waiting for a perfect solution. I agree with you.

Not having anyone doing hateful things would be better, but that's a terrible reason to just let the problem grow.

. They didn’t march demanding more pay, better working conditions, or more upward mobility in Charlottesville, they marched chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil.”

Yeah, because they're fucking stupid and they don't know why they have poor pay, poor working conditions, and no upward mobility. They literally believe it's a conspiracy by Them to keep the white man down. They're dummies.

But that doesn't actually mean economic factors aren't the primary motivator. There's still an underlying, material problem.

They're no more stupid than leninists. Honestly both having roots being on the authoritarian end of the spectrum. They are an excellent mirror of each other. Having more in common than they are different realistically.

It's really isn't a problem of stupidity. More a problem of taking an ideology or way of thinking as the core of their personality. Combining that with an unwillingness to rationalize or change.

I consider myself more of a centrist. I think leninists and anarchists both have good ideas

It’s fine to recognize good ideas regardless of source, but politics is so much more than just ideas.

Centrism, especially at this point in time, may be the most dangerous political philosophy of all. After all, they will cast the decisive votes in 2024. The center of “democracy” and “no democracy” is “less democracy”.

Democratic Socialism isn't less democracy and anarchism definitely isn't less democracy so

In general I do not. Since realistically Libertarians, anarchists, etc share any of the good ideas leninists might have. Without embodying all the bad things leninists do. As long as were talking true libertarians, social-libertarians. And not the fash friendly, selfish neo-libertarians of privilege on the right.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. No matter the intentions behind it.

What absolute power? Power to the people my dude!

A party that's socially suppresses the people does not represent the people. I say this about capitalism and leninism both. The party should only answer to the people. Not the other way round.

Like the farmers that under threat of the party. We're forced to listen to the lunatic ramblings of Trofim Lysenko. Discarding what they knew would work to follow his unfounded recommendations. Exacerbating famines in Russia China Etc killing Millions. Committees and councils are absolutely bad about inaction. But inaction on genocide and torture I'll take that any day.

As we all know, famine never happened before the revolution. 🙄

Nice deflection. There was Global famine happening. Yes it happened before. His policies specifically pushed by the party militantly exacerbated and killed Millions more people than would have otherwise died. But you can't face that fact. This is what I talk about no ability to be rational or self critique.

How was there a global famine happening if communism only emerged in one country at that point? Doesn't that strike you as odd?

Or are you one of those ultra left "everyone except for my sooper speshul ideology is bad!"?

How was there a global famine happening if communism only emerged in one country at that point? Doesn't that strike you as odd?

No. Because that's a non sequitur claim that I never made.

Or are you one of those ultra left "everyone except for my sooper speshul ideology is bad!"?

No not at all. I can work with liberals and other right Wingers of their ilk. I disagree with them highly. But can work with it. It's the authoritarians and those who selfishly enable authoritarians for their own benefits that I don't get along with.

No. Because that’s a non sequitur claim that I never made.

You definitely implied it by blaming communism in Russia for famine, when the famine itself was global.

No not at all. I can work with liberals and other right Wingers of their ilk. I disagree with them highly.

Okay, so you don't really care about human suffering or death (or else the immense amounts of both under liberalism would bother you) You just don't like being told what to do.

You definitely implied it by blaming communism in Russia for famine, when the famine itself was global.

To quote what I said exactly

His policies specifically pushed by the party militantly exacerbated and killed Millions more people than would have otherwise died.

Is it that English isn't your primary language? Lack of reading comprehension? Or is it just your inability as a Leninist to honestly accept genuine critique?

Okay, so you don't really care about human suffering or death (or else the immense amounts of both under liberalism would bother you) You just don't like being told what to do.

You quoted exactly what I said and then blatantly completely misrepresented it. To be honest I'm completely unsurprised. This is what we can expect from a leninist. Also you do realize that your critique against liberals is equally valid against you as a leninist and the Nations who have adopted your ideology. Two wrongs don't make right. However there is a distinct difference here. There are liberals who in general are not authoritarian. There are not however non authoritarian leninists. It is the core differentiator of your ideology from standard Marxism.

I'm fine with deferring to expertise and following instructions. However unlike yourself I am not a slave devoted to a single static ideology. And unable to think for myself. I am fine with a national government after a fashion. I think there should be a much more even distribution of power and tight restrictions on it. But I think that for instance one perfect example of an issue that needs to be addressed at a national level. Should be guaranteeing human rights. However I don't believe that level of government has any right restricting anything outside of protecting those guarantees. Something that yes liberals have issues with. Though not to the same extent as leninists.

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"Extremism" Not just the fascists. If you can't see the correlation between the shrinking middle class over the past 4-5 decades and the growth of extremism, I'm not sure what to say to that. These morons are anxious, and a lot of that is economic, and historically it doesn't take much to point angry morons at the wrong target. Just define an "other" (Jews, Immigrants, LGBTQ) for them to focus on and they'll run with it. I'm not excusing these assholes at all. But fighting the symptoms and not the disease is not a smart way to go about making change.

Also, for what its' worth, I wanted to look at the article you posted, but I can't get past the paywall.

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