CIA publicly acknowledges 1953 coup it backed in Iran was undemocratic as it revisits 'Argo' rescue
While revealing new details about one of the most famed CIA operations of all times — the spiriting out of six American diplomats who escaped the 1979 U.S. Embassy seizure in Iran — the intelligence agency for the first time has acknowledged something else as well.
The CIA now officially describes the 1953 coup it backed in Iran that overthrew its prime minister and cemented the rule of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as undemocratic.
Other American officials have made similar remarks in the past, but the CIA’s acknowledgment in a podcast about the agency’s history comes as much of its official history of the coup remains classified 70 years after the putsch. That complicates the public’s understanding of an event that still resonates, as tensions remain high between Tehran and Washington over the Islamic Republic’s rapidly advancing nuclear program, its aiding of militia groups across the Mideast and as it cracks down on dissent.
The “CIA’s leadership is committed to being as open with the public as possible,” the agency said in a statement responding to questions from The Associated Press. “The agency’s podcast is part of that effort — and we knew that if we wanted to tell this incredible story, it was important to be transparent about the historical context surrounding these events, and CIA’s role in it.”
Commies trying not to be bloodthirsty killers responsible for murders of thousands of lgbtq+ community members and genociding entire ethnic minorities challenge: impossible
Honestly the CIA and american power projection is responsible for the majority of peace in the modern world and we are in great debt to them for it
Yeah, the Pinochet regime was FAMOUSLY peaceful.
At least it wasn't communist. As you can see from the other poster, communists are inherently violent and anti-lgbtq
Same can be said about fascism. Or capitalism. Look at how many people want to remove rights of lgbtq in americs. Look how the nazis treated homosexuals (and communists)
I mean, fascism is just an umbrella term for communism, nazism etc. Capitalism really is just the existence of money in terms of servicing transactions, something that has brought immense value to the world. How lemmy looks at issues like police brutality and concludes 'welp thats capitalism" is honestly kinda weird. Thought it was a joke at first but now I'm not that sure.
"They had the right colour uniform on when they carried out the mass murder, and that makes it better" <- how you come across.
I don't care how I come across to a violent conservative. I'm right, have not been proven wrong and absolutely mopping the floor with fascists atm.
Brigading, purposeful misunderstanding and enraged lashouts from you guys is only expected
I'm neither violent or a conservative, nor will your ongoing attempt to justify mass murder make it so. For someone who keeps calling people fascists, you're the only one in this thread supporting a far-right extremist authoritarian, mass-murdering dictator.
Better than the guy who refutably would have killed more :)
"Better mass murder than the fiction I invented in my head" is the comeback you think it is. All it underlines is that you're doubling back on the support of violence and destruction of democracy when it fits your extremist ideology.
If the reality of communist genocides is "in my head" I've got a sound head tbh, thank you.
Allende didn't carry out any mass murder. Pinochet did. Hence your purported "knowledge" about what Allende might have done had your preferred mass murderer not taken power is only in your head.
Trying to set up strawmen by pointing to entirely different regimes that nobody in this thread have expressed support for does not change the fact that you're still the only one here repeatedly arguing in favor of someone who actually carried out mass murder.
Already addressed this
You've only "addressed this" by repeating your imaginary scenario of thought crime as justification for arguing that bringing mass murderer into power was right, just like the supporters of every brutal dictator in history though their favourite mass murderer did what they needed to as well.
It's not actually "addressing" anything - all you've done is doubling down on trying to justify actual, real murders that happen with your fear of something hypothetical. This irrational fear of hypothetical harm and willingness to preemptively harm the other first, driven by a relentless bloodlust lies at the core of the fascist psyche.
I hope you are at least consistent and feel the same way about capitalism.
Define capitalism for me please. You'll find it to be quite an extensive term, useless for these conversations. Prefer terms such as fascism, as fascism always leads to atrocities, regardless of the economic model, whereas there are of course plenty of capitalist countries with near-perfect human rights situations.
It's like saying I don't like scarves and you come in and ask me to be consistent and feel the same way about all clothing.
Can you define communism in the same way for me, please?
I think you'll find that your understanding of the subject, which, for the record, is just as vast as 'capitalism' is flawed.
Communism and capitalism are economic systems.
Fascism is a political ideology.
You're literally doing the arguing for me.
Mass murder of minorities, for example sexual minorities. Genocide of ethnic minorities. Scared of those rich people with money, consolidates power and money to a closer set of people. Apparently also seizing the means of production plays a part in the lore but it's really a secondary thing, it's mostly mass murder.
"Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a left-wing to far-left sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology"
If you're going on the semantic route of arguing, make sure you're even just a little bit right.
Sorry, guess I should've used the term socialism to specifically refer to the economic system.
The definition you gave of communism is just plainly incorrect tho... care to try again?
So essentially you just learned that in order to take the smartass route, you actually have to be smart. Lmao
My definition on communism is based off of reality and historical facts. What some bearded fuck said 150 years ago is a really nice pubquiz question, but totally irrelevant to the millions of innocent people dead because of the totalitarian policies of communists.
That is actually something a lot of commies online have a problem with, and honestly I don't blame them. Reality is a fleeting concept when you haven't touched grass in a while and only indulge in what is essentially fanfiction on communism, like Das Capitals etc. Good for recreational purposes I guess, if you're into delusion, but awful in reality. Keyword; reality. I only operate in, analyze and critique reality.
Sadly words have definitions. If you look at those societies that claim to have been communist, you'll find that almost none of them have been.
It's like saying democracy is terrible because of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea...
So which countries have been?
American Indian societies were quite communistic depending on tribe.
Surely. But if something looks like fascism, talks like fascism, acts like fascism, you're not gonna tell me it's not fascism because a definition you made up said it's not. I mean, you just did, but it's quite fruitless. I guess hitler too thought nazism was actually peaceful and all that good stuff.
Dude I pull my ideology from the pre-soviet american socialists. Think IWW, me being a bloodthirsty asshole aint got jack shit to do with my economic ideology, my bloodthirst is from my social ideology which is largely seperate. Id sink my axe into a tankie just as easily as a fascist, blood is blood it spills all the same.
Peace? There's no global war but that's less because of the US and more because of the UN. But there's still conflict all over the place and many timeses because the US stuck its nose in something that was none of its business, f*cked shit up and then ran away leaving everyone else to deal with the fallout.
Oh hey you're the guy from my kindergarten, exactly the same arguments too!
How you been? Still believe moonlandings were fake? That covid-thing must've got you riled up haha