0:36 Gaming.
4:38 Microsoft Office.
5:31 Photoshop.
7:15 Ecosystem of Linux.
9:39 Hardware compatibility.
Proton & Lutris
Libreoffice & Nextcloud
G.I.M.P, Inkscape, Krita
It's cooler, more secure, more private, more trusting etc.
More compatible than Windows 11 that's for sure
Not even close, half my shit doesn't work.
If you think either are replacements for Office, you've never actually had to use Office for work.
GIMP sucks and has nowhere near the feature set. Good luck working in CMYK.
None of this matters.
Tell that to wifi cards, audio interfaces, instruments, or other hardware that some rando hasn't written a half-assed driver for.
ProtonDB says that my personal library in steam with over 800 games only has 1% games which don't work, and a total of 7% that doesn't just run when you click play. This means that the most pessimistic view of my library is that 93% of the games work, that's probably more than on windows 11 for what I heard about compatibility for old games. I highly doubt your library is even remotely close to the 50% incompatibility you're claiming.
They are. I do. If you need something in the level of complexity that "only" Microsoft office can provide, you shouldn't be using excel to begin with, a simple script with a database will be a lot more powerful and fast.
GIMP not supporting CMYK natively is getting quite ridiculous. However as far as I remember there have been plugins for it since forever, plus this is only important for printed jobs, anything digital doesn't need CMYK. Also depending on what you're trying to do Krita might be a better option.
If that doesn't matter then what does?
All of the ones I have tried work out of the box, also the ones that work is only so because windows has more users so companies bend over backwards to write drivers for it, but whenever companies give the same amount of treatment to both Windows and Linux the compatibility is always better on Linux, e.g. PlayStation controllers are a pain to get working on windows but work out of the box on Linux.
What ProtonDB says and what reality is differ quite a lot.
"Well you shouldn't do that because I said so." Irrelevant response.
Yes, there are numerous jank plugins that all half-work. CMYK support is only the tip of the iceberg and it's enough to exclude GIMP from entire industries. I do not know why people keep mentioning Krita in the same breath as GIMP, given that it's fully cross-platform and is specifically geared towards illustration. I can use it on Windows or Mac just as easy as Linux. That's not a selling point for Linux, it's an example of why Linux isn't really needed in a given area.
I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the average user here. That's what people keep telling me in other responses. Since when did the command line matter to average users?
Well, you know, maybe if Windows was more popular Sony would make a driver for it. This excuse works for hardware that doesn't work in Linux, so same should apply there.
What games do you play so that nothing works? The only problems I had in over half a year with Linux and pretty much daily gaming are cyberpunk 2.0 (which is nvidias fault and already a lot better with 2.01) and the Xbox service in aoe2. Everything else works perfectly normal, from DOS games like Commander Keen and fate of Atlantis to MMOs like LOTRO and ESO to triple A games like Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3. They all work perfectly fine and in >90% of cases out of the box, only sometimes do they need minor adjustments like a certain proton version or commands
Playstation also doesn't support PC or Xbox games. It's pretty clear what IS supported and its like 60% of steam games for PC along with a massive library of classic games via emulation. Excuse me while I switch between playing a switch game and a windows game and take a break to play a native game.
Most of what people do "for work" with office is crap out a presentation, word processor doc, or spreadsheet which all work fine in Libre Office. In fact for a lot of users the triviality of shared editing of google docs actually trumps every other feature that office has.
Most people's usage of an image editor is resizing and cropping. Only a tiny minority actually need a professional image editor like most people don't need a backhoe
Good hardware support is having good hardware to buy in every category not supporting literally every piece of hardware in existence. Smart people who use Linux buy Linux friendly hardware.
K. Have fun.
Yes, LibreOffice works fine. Now save that document and send it over to the attorney for approval. Wait for the email telling you it's broken and shit because they're using Office and LibreOffice still has problems export to different file formats. Interoperability is the issue. Google Docs is not an answer for anything.
So between this and the previous one you're basically saying that advanced USERS need not apply to Linux, right?
Then why the fuck is every dick with an ISO telling me that Linux can be installed on any old hardware I have laying around?
This is the problem with Linux in general. Such a huge portion of the user base are elitist pricks. "Well just buy the RIGHT hardware." Nah mate, I can't be arsed to buy a new motherboard with a wifi chip that's supported by this OS. I've already bought the audio interface. That scanner was a gift. The printer was a deal. It goes on.
Compatibility with old hardware and hardware support in general is fairly good and traditionally Linux has been a lightweight solution to re-use hardware that otherwise might end up as e-waste. This doesn't mean it supports everything nor does it mean continuing to buy random windows hardware and hope is a reasonable strategy nor is it a failure of the overall ecosystem if the hardware you yourself purchased isn't supported.
For instance when I discovered linux back in 2003 I tried Linux on my existing hardware it happily worked. Since I liked how it worked so my next computer was purchased with Linux in mind. If that machine hadn't worked well but I liked how the software worked I would have done the same thing.
Since people with working computers don't bitch much forums are full of people at Linux Computer 1 bitching about how it doesn't work as if not supporting that singular machine as if continuing to use Linux would require them to continually purchase random hardware based on what was on sale at walmart that week and rolling the dice
It's funny you mention printers. Printers that are a "deal" usually aren't. More often than not they are of poor quality with ridiculous printing costs. 80 dollars now 800 dollars of the next 5 years before it breaks down.
Instead for a few dollars more I got a laser with great per unit costs good reliability and I ensured compatibility through the magical and technical art of googling the model number and the word Linux. It took longer to remove the packaging than configuration and it works great but then it wasn't like I picked it out by 1 factor I had several parameters to satisfy so I narrowed down the entire range of options in 15 minutes of research for a device I'll probably be using for 10 years.
Good hardware support doesn't mean every cheap piece of shit you find in the reject pile in walmart will work perfectly because the support of free labor to build that support isn't infinite. F
Lastly making memes with photoshop doesn't make one an "advanced" user and most "advanced" usage doesn't require photoshop specifically.
If you're too fucking stupid to know who the actual users of Photoshop are and why moving to Linux doesn't work for them, brother, you can fuck off.
yes the point is that this is constantly brought up as if Photoshop was a staple of everyday computer use that was a vital missing piece of making Linux "ready for the desktop" instead of a professional tool by its nature primarily used by a minority. Of course if you are an artist and use windows/mac software to make money you probably shouldn't bother with Linux but random bob kid who uses pirated photoshop to make memes can probably learn to make memes with gimp considering one can copy crop and put text on images fairly easy.
-Fuck you
-Fuck you
-Fuck you
-Fuck you
-Fuck you
-Fuck you
"Fuck you" instead of anything useful or meaningful. Like trying to get help on a Linux forum.
You sound like someone who can't figure out their own problems and feel the need to attack the community because you don't understand.
You sound like the kind of imbecile that thinks "it's open source, fix it yourself!" is a valid response to anything.
😂
The first three boil down to, “If software that you need/want only develops for a specific OS, use that OS.”
It’s time we stop blaming linux for vendor choices.
Gaming: Only if you're playing one of the VERY few games that doesn't run in Linux yet, and that number continues to drop rapidly. There's plenty of tools out there to make games work well in Linux.
Office: For basic things, there's a million and one office suites that work in Linux and you can even use Office 365 Online if you really need that Microsoft Office experience/compatibility. This is only valid if you or your company need specific add-ons that don't have any equivalent in other office suites. My own employer uses these, so in that instance, yes, I do need MS Office for those. But from what I know, still not an entirely common thing, and you can still get by with Linux compatible office suites for most things.
Photoshop: I don't work with images, but from what I understand this one has some validity, comparing the tools available in Photoshop vs the GIMP or other drawing tools. But that's just if you're doing some really advanced image editing.
Ecosystem: if this is just referring to the fact that most people don't use Linux, there are plenty of FOSS programs that work in both Windows and Linux and very few common file types that aren't mutually compatible.
Hardware: another instance that has greatly improved over time, and there hasn't been anything in years that I haven't had "just work" by plugging it in. If the proprietary drivers don't install, there's probably an open source driver out there to get your hardware running. Will admit that in some instances features may be more limited, depending on what the drivers will be able to do, but as I mentioned that's really getting better almost daily.
Out of this list, Photoshop is really the only main thing blocking people, unless they play anticheat-ridden games the likes of Destiny 2, who are outright linux-hostile.
You don't have to be doing advanced work to notice the difference between GIMP and Photoshop. Working in GIMP is painful. Working in Photoshop is also painful, but at least you know your files will work with everyone else.
Try some audio hardware. Linux is still a fucking wasteland when it comes to that.
A fraction of 1% of Windows users use Photoshop. 99.9% of users just crop and resize
Which is utterly fucking irrelevant to the conversation.
0:36 Gaming.
4:38 Microsoft Office.
5:31 Photoshop.
7:15 Ecosystem of Linux.
9:39 Hardware compatibility.
What games do you play so that nothing works? The only problems I had in over half a year with Linux and pretty much daily gaming are cyberpunk 2.0 (which is nvidias fault and already a lot better with 2.01) and the Xbox service in aoe2. Everything else works perfectly normal, from DOS games like Commander Keen and fate of Atlantis to MMOs like LOTRO and ESO to triple A games like Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3. They all work perfectly fine and in >90% of cases out of the box, only sometimes do they need minor adjustments like a certain proton version or commands
Playstation also doesn't support PC or Xbox games. It's pretty clear what IS supported and its like 60% of steam games for PC along with a massive library of classic games via emulation. Excuse me while I switch between playing a switch game and a windows game and take a break to play a native game.
Most of what people do "for work" with office is crap out a presentation, word processor doc, or spreadsheet which all work fine in Libre Office. In fact for a lot of users the triviality of shared editing of google docs actually trumps every other feature that office has.
Most people's usage of an image editor is resizing and cropping. Only a tiny minority actually need a professional image editor like most people don't need a backhoe
Good hardware support is having good hardware to buy in every category not supporting literally every piece of hardware in existence. Smart people who use Linux buy Linux friendly hardware.
This is the problem with Linux in general. Such a huge portion of the user base are elitist pricks. "Well just buy the RIGHT hardware." Nah mate, I can't be arsed to buy a new motherboard with a wifi chip that's supported by this OS. I've already bought the audio interface. That scanner was a gift. The printer was a deal. It goes on.
Compatibility with old hardware and hardware support in general is fairly good and traditionally Linux has been a lightweight solution to re-use hardware that otherwise might end up as e-waste. This doesn't mean it supports everything nor does it mean continuing to buy random windows hardware and hope is a reasonable strategy nor is it a failure of the overall ecosystem if the hardware you yourself purchased isn't supported.
For instance when I discovered linux back in 2003 I tried Linux on my existing hardware it happily worked. Since I liked how it worked so my next computer was purchased with Linux in mind. If that machine hadn't worked well but I liked how the software worked I would have done the same thing.
Since people with working computers don't bitch much forums are full of people at Linux Computer 1 bitching about how it doesn't work as if not supporting that singular machine as if continuing to use Linux would require them to continually purchase random hardware based on what was on sale at walmart that week and rolling the dice
It's funny you mention printers. Printers that are a "deal" usually aren't. More often than not they are of poor quality with ridiculous printing costs. 80 dollars now 800 dollars of the next 5 years before it breaks down.
Instead for a few dollars more I got a laser with great per unit costs good reliability and I ensured compatibility through the magical and technical art of googling the model number and the word Linux. It took longer to remove the packaging than configuration and it works great but then it wasn't like I picked it out by 1 factor I had several parameters to satisfy so I narrowed down the entire range of options in 15 minutes of research for a device I'll probably be using for 10 years.
Laser/double sided printing/reasonable speed/scanner/linux support/affordable toner/ ethernet support/good resolution/price range.
Good hardware support doesn't mean every cheap piece of shit you find in the reject pile in walmart will work perfectly because the support of free labor to build that support isn't infinite. F
Lastly making memes with photoshop doesn't make one an "advanced" user and most "advanced" usage doesn't require photoshop specifically.
If you're too fucking stupid to know who the actual users of Photoshop are and why moving to Linux doesn't work for them, brother, you can fuck off.
yes the point is that this is constantly brought up as if Photoshop was a staple of everyday computer use that was a vital missing piece of making Linux "ready for the desktop" instead of a professional tool by its nature primarily used by a minority. Of course if you are an artist and use windows/mac software to make money you probably shouldn't bother with Linux but random bob kid who uses pirated photoshop to make memes can probably learn to make memes with gimp considering one can copy crop and put text on images fairly easy.
-Fuck you -Fuck you -Fuck you -Fuck you -Fuck you -Fuck you
"Fuck you" instead of anything useful or meaningful. Like trying to get help on a Linux forum.
You sound like someone who can't figure out their own problems and feel the need to attack the community because you don't understand.
You sound like the kind of imbecile that thinks "it's open source, fix it yourself!" is a valid response to anything.
😂
The first three boil down to, “If software that you need/want only develops for a specific OS, use that OS.”
It’s time we stop blaming linux for vendor choices.
Gaming: Only if you're playing one of the VERY few games that doesn't run in Linux yet, and that number continues to drop rapidly. There's plenty of tools out there to make games work well in Linux.
Office: For basic things, there's a million and one office suites that work in Linux and you can even use Office 365 Online if you really need that Microsoft Office experience/compatibility. This is only valid if you or your company need specific add-ons that don't have any equivalent in other office suites. My own employer uses these, so in that instance, yes, I do need MS Office for those. But from what I know, still not an entirely common thing, and you can still get by with Linux compatible office suites for most things.
Photoshop: I don't work with images, but from what I understand this one has some validity, comparing the tools available in Photoshop vs the GIMP or other drawing tools. But that's just if you're doing some really advanced image editing.
Ecosystem: if this is just referring to the fact that most people don't use Linux, there are plenty of FOSS programs that work in both Windows and Linux and very few common file types that aren't mutually compatible.
Hardware: another instance that has greatly improved over time, and there hasn't been anything in years that I haven't had "just work" by plugging it in. If the proprietary drivers don't install, there's probably an open source driver out there to get your hardware running. Will admit that in some instances features may be more limited, depending on what the drivers will be able to do, but as I mentioned that's really getting better almost daily.
Out of this list, Photoshop is really the only main thing blocking people, unless they play anticheat-ridden games the likes of Destiny 2, who are outright linux-hostile.
You don't have to be doing advanced work to notice the difference between GIMP and Photoshop. Working in GIMP is painful. Working in Photoshop is also painful, but at least you know your files will work with everyone else.
Try some audio hardware. Linux is still a fucking wasteland when it comes to that.
A fraction of 1% of Windows users use Photoshop. 99.9% of users just crop and resize
Which is utterly fucking irrelevant to the conversation.
Gaming... yeah it's not like there's a dedicated portable hardware device for gaming that runs on Linux by default.
MS Office, well it's literally a Microsoft product so yeah, though O365 does work.
Photoshop I haven't tried in years to run on Linux but I wish haven't bothered with Photoshop in years period so...
He does counter with Gimp tbf.