I mean, sure would have been nice to have a living suspect for the criminologists or psychologists.
I bet we can figure out his motives and mental state through good ol' fashioned detective work. I'll take the first step for them, and tell them to look at his social media history. Freud would shit himself if he were alive today and could scroll a facebook feed.
He was an America-First conservative, what else do you need to know?
We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.
I’m just angry he got off so easy. He should have had to face what he did.
I disagree. More data points are useful to show the future how batshit insane our policy choices are.
What policy choices? He should have had his weapons confiscated after his recent issues under Maine's yellow flag laws, but the police did nothing once again.
You answered it yourself. Police policy.
I wouldn’t want to be the guy responsible for taking away the guns of a mentally ill person. No thank you, let some other sucker handle that.
Don’t we already have ample data to support that? Like, what could we learn that would make a difference? I’m not being facetious, I’m honestly asking.
in an ideal world, what would move the needle?
Data is data. A guy being interviewed about how he came to his plan, the setbacks he had, what his goals were, etc.
Like, are the victims just dumb luck because he originally intended a different plan that could have had higher casualties?
A deader body is also easier to sweep under the rug, can’t happen again cause we caught him, etc etc. No worries about further court dates, or him talking about his love for guns…
Sure, I get that. My career was like 80% data.
You also have to know when to stop wasting time collecting data and start spending that energy on solutions, because the data becomes redundant.
We’ve got soooooo much data on what motivates people; we’ve got excruciatingly intricate data on exactly how and why they do these things. We know which solutions are likely to work and which definitely don’t.
We need to stop endlessly analysing and start fixing this shit. We know what’s broken, so let’s stop talking about what and why and how, and start implementing solutions, like now.
The problem is there’s little public will to fix things – little ability to see these as preventable tragedies – and too much looking and hoping and denying.
Don’t worry though – there are another couple of hundred people waking up today who will be dead next month and over whose corpses we can continue this debate. I really hope nobody reading this comment will be one of them.
(Sorry for the snark; I’m beyond exhausted with this.)
You didn't get down 👇 voted so probably no one's offended. I totally agree with You btw. And I just wanted to add this; I think our government and corporations should fix this shit ASAP. But I don't think 🤔 "We the people" can do much about it if politicians don't listen to our outcry for better gun control policies
I’m just on edge, so I’m preemptively apologising for my snark.
‘We the people’ elect those politicians, so yes, ‘we the people’ can do something about it.
And that’s the least we can do. There’s very rarely an actual public outcry over these things. This one was weird because he evaded capture for a while. They usually either shoot themselves on the scene or are captured within hours.
I believe majority of Americans want stricter gun laws. So why are the politicians that the people voted in not doing anything about it (then)?
Same way I believe that majority of Americans want affordable education, housing, medical care, ETC...
Why doesn't the government (whether Republican or Democrat run government) do much about it, or why are they never able to fix the issues?
That, detective, is the right question.
Fear is profitable.
NRA?
We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.
What makes you believe this?
I’m very interested in abnormal psychology and have read many studies, watched tons of hours of police interviews, read loads of psychiatric notes and court transcripts, prisoners’ diaries, etc – it’s all out there and freely available if you’re interested.
This issue is decades old. There’s a ridiculous amount of information available. I developed morbid curiosity after Columbine, and have seen and read things I probably shouldn’t have for my own mental health, but I feel it’s important to know things like this.
It’s not my belief – just look at the raw data and what psychologists say. We don’t know everything, obviously, but we know quite enough.
e: I’m not talking about what psychologists can learn, I’m talking about us, the public.
It’s not my belief – just look at the raw data and what psychologists say. We don’t know everything, obviously, but we know quite enough.
What psychologists say that we know enough? I've never heard this claimed by a professional in the field before.
e: I’m not talking about what psychologists can learn, I’m talking about us, the public.
It's not up to the public to learn the intricacies of psychopathy. You and I aren't the ones who need or can make use of that data.
It looks like I worded my comment poorly.
I meant we, as in regular people, not psychologists or the FBI, or other professionals.
We already know more than enough to enact laws and policies to fix this shit. We don’t need more data. These aren’t lone wolves, and they haven’t been for ages. They have very similar beliefs. We know the who, what, and why they do these things, and we have for a long time.
We don’t need to ponder these things anymore.
And yet, warning signs are still ignored by most people, and travesties like this continue to occur almost daily in this country.
I'd argue that we don't know as much as we'd like to think we do.
Obviously not enough for predictive analysis. Hunan behavior is predictable with enough data. Not that we should be collecting the amount of data necessary…….. right?
not sure what you’re suggesting.
Obviously the FBI and other authorities do predictive analysis.
I’m not talking about agencies – I’m talking about us. Regular people. We’re not doing predictive analysis. We’re not trained for it, and that would be a disaster.
I’m talking about regular people and the random nut jobs we elect to office. We have plenty of data to formulate and implement solutions, and discovering exactly which region of Norway the gods this loser thought he was listening to hailed from (or whatever, fake example obviously) won’t change that.
I mean, sure would have been nice to have a living suspect for the criminologists or psychologists.
I bet we can figure out his motives and mental state through good ol' fashioned detective work. I'll take the first step for them, and tell them to look at his social media history. Freud would shit himself if he were alive today and could scroll a facebook feed.
He was an America-First conservative, what else do you need to know?
We’ve learnt all we can from these psychopaths, to be honest.
I’m just angry he got off so easy. He should have had to face what he did.
I disagree. More data points are useful to show the future how batshit insane our policy choices are.
What policy choices? He should have had his weapons confiscated after his recent issues under Maine's yellow flag laws, but the police did nothing once again.
You answered it yourself. Police policy.
I wouldn’t want to be the guy responsible for taking away the guns of a mentally ill person. No thank you, let some other sucker handle that.
Don’t we already have ample data to support that? Like, what could we learn that would make a difference? I’m not being facetious, I’m honestly asking.
in an ideal world, what would move the needle?
Data is data. A guy being interviewed about how he came to his plan, the setbacks he had, what his goals were, etc.
Like, are the victims just dumb luck because he originally intended a different plan that could have had higher casualties?
A deader body is also easier to sweep under the rug, can’t happen again cause we caught him, etc etc. No worries about further court dates, or him talking about his love for guns…
Sure, I get that. My career was like 80% data.
You also have to know when to stop wasting time collecting data and start spending that energy on solutions, because the data becomes redundant.
We’ve got soooooo much data on what motivates people; we’ve got excruciatingly intricate data on exactly how and why they do these things. We know which solutions are likely to work and which definitely don’t.
We need to stop endlessly analysing and start fixing this shit. We know what’s broken, so let’s stop talking about what and why and how, and start implementing solutions, like now.
The problem is there’s little public will to fix things – little ability to see these as preventable tragedies – and too much looking and hoping and denying.
Don’t worry though – there are another couple of hundred people waking up today who will be dead next month and over whose corpses we can continue this debate. I really hope nobody reading this comment will be one of them.
(Sorry for the snark; I’m beyond exhausted with this.)
You didn't get down 👇 voted so probably no one's offended. I totally agree with You btw. And I just wanted to add this; I think our government and corporations should fix this shit ASAP. But I don't think 🤔 "We the people" can do much about it if politicians don't listen to our outcry for better gun control policies
I’m just on edge, so I’m preemptively apologising for my snark.
‘We the people’ elect those politicians, so yes, ‘we the people’ can do something about it.
And that’s the least we can do. There’s very rarely an actual public outcry over these things. This one was weird because he evaded capture for a while. They usually either shoot themselves on the scene or are captured within hours.
I believe majority of Americans want stricter gun laws. So why are the politicians that the people voted in not doing anything about it (then)?
Same way I believe that majority of Americans want affordable education, housing, medical care, ETC...
Why doesn't the government (whether Republican or Democrat run government) do much about it, or why are they never able to fix the issues?
That, detective, is the right question.
Fear is profitable.
NRA?
What makes you believe this?
I’m very interested in abnormal psychology and have read many studies, watched tons of hours of police interviews, read loads of psychiatric notes and court transcripts, prisoners’ diaries, etc – it’s all out there and freely available if you’re interested.
This issue is decades old. There’s a ridiculous amount of information available. I developed morbid curiosity after Columbine, and have seen and read things I probably shouldn’t have for my own mental health, but I feel it’s important to know things like this.
It’s not my belief – just look at the raw data and what psychologists say. We don’t know everything, obviously, but we know quite enough.
e: I’m not talking about what psychologists can learn, I’m talking about us, the public.
What psychologists say that we know enough? I've never heard this claimed by a professional in the field before.
It's not up to the public to learn the intricacies of psychopathy. You and I aren't the ones who need or can make use of that data.
It looks like I worded my comment poorly.
I meant we, as in regular people, not psychologists or the FBI, or other professionals.
We already know more than enough to enact laws and policies to fix this shit. We don’t need more data. These aren’t lone wolves, and they haven’t been for ages. They have very similar beliefs. We know the who, what, and why they do these things, and we have for a long time.
We don’t need to ponder these things anymore.
And yet, warning signs are still ignored by most people, and travesties like this continue to occur almost daily in this country.
I'd argue that we don't know as much as we'd like to think we do.
Obviously not enough for predictive analysis. Hunan behavior is predictable with enough data. Not that we should be collecting the amount of data necessary…….. right?
not sure what you’re suggesting.
Obviously the FBI and other authorities do predictive analysis.
I’m not talking about agencies – I’m talking about us. Regular people. We’re not doing predictive analysis. We’re not trained for it, and that would be a disaster.
I’m talking about regular people and the random nut jobs we elect to office. We have plenty of data to formulate and implement solutions, and discovering exactly which region of Norway the gods this loser thought he was listening to hailed from (or whatever, fake example obviously) won’t change that.
bunches of those in prisons already though.