Taking games that already exist and locking them behind their subscription. They already did it to Into the Breach. Time to boycott the the makers of these games for making shitty deals (Supergiant Games, Devolver Digital, Subset Games).
Subset Games is two people. The game has been available on Windows, Mac, and Linux for five years, during which they gave away a significant expansion for free. You're not punching up by calling for a boycott against EA or Activision here, these are indie developers and this is presumably their livelihood.
Instead, they are asking all who want to play on mobile to add a Netflix subscription. What?
It's not that deep, bro, just don't fucking play it?
So you care about me caring only enough to tell me I shouldn't care. Genius
I care about as much as you care to care because the care bears care to care and I'm living on a prayer
Care to explain that statement in caveman
Bear care. Bear, care.
Bear cool but I still don't comprehend
Instead? Instead of what? Just not developing a mobile version?
No, you claimed it's only two people and I shouldn't punch down. Instead, these two people think everyone else should pick up a Netflix subscription just to play their game. Boo hoo
The game's been out for five years, they gave it away for free on epic's shop, it's available on three other operating systems without subscription, do you want them to come round and suck you off too?
No. That's a lot of words to not understand that I just don't want a Netflix subscription in order to play a game. Hope I have a PC, what? But, since you finished it off with absurdity I have no more reason to speak with you.
OK great, yeah nobody except the people profiting off it likes games being locked behind a subscription, but the only absurdity here is your sense of entitlement
Presumably they could never afford to port to mobile themselves, without cooperating with Netflix. Since you don't want to pay for a Netflix subscription... You're not missing out on anything. It wouldn't have existed if not for Netflix.
I understand I'm not paying for it (not because I don't want the game; I'd gladly pay for it alone), and so I'm not playing it. I am missing out, what are you talking about? I'm voicing my displeasure with the situation. And it's totally valid. I think defending the subscription model is absurd.
The games already exist, but not on mobile. I'd agree if they were available on mobile already and then went behind a paywall subscription. If the games would never exist on mobile if Netflix wasn't paying for them to be there, then I don't mind as much
I hear what you are saying. I thought a little about that myself, if they are paying to get them onto the platform. But that's just it. I don't know about ios, but it's Android that Into the Breach is on. That's the platform. Netflix is no gaming platform. Why didn't these studios bring their games directly to Android? I say fault them.
I def do wish that these companies were able to publish it themselves so they didn't have to go with Netflix, I can agree with that
Also fuck normalizing not actually running your games and requiring a streaming service and monthly subscription for games.
The games are native on mobile. You need a sub but they aren't streaming
This somehow feels stupider. Why not just release in the appstore?
Well basically these games would likely have not been on mobile at all. Netflix is publishing them for mobile. If I had to guess, I'd say that Netflix approached these devs and offered to publish for them and provide them money for being on their service. For the devs, it's free money for something they likely weren't considering in the first place (porting to mobile). I definitely wish the devs would publish themselves (if they have the means) but it's not how it's happening unfortunately. And fwiw they are on the play store. You just need to sign in with a Netflix account when the game boots up.
Thats even worse lol. So Netflix is just the DRM asking for money at the gate in a subscription, because they did the work of porting it once....
I mean porting isn't an effortless task to be fair.
I'd like to be clear I definitely do not prefer subscriptions to just buying it once. But really there are 2 scenarios here. 1. The game doesn't exist on mobile at all. 2. It exists and you can play it if you have a Netflix subscription. I wish there was more than that but tbh I feel like I'd pick 2. At least with 2 the devs get more financial support and some more people have access to these excellent games
...thus normalizing subscriptions instead of a fair straight up paid version of the game. I understand having to pay for stuff, but locking everything away behind eternal monthly payments (for work done once) does not seem like the way to me, regardless of what the product even is.
They were perfectly capable of releasing it with a fair price like everyone else but choose not to because they wanted to try out a way to make more money at our expense (with, again, no extra work to justify it).
Then dont subscribe, they're not planning on making money selling to people who already on it on PC. Netflix is making it available to people who didn't buy this on PC.
If enough people dont play it, they'll lose money and they wont do it again. If a lot of people play it, then who the fuck are you to tell other people the right way to enjoy playing games?
Thats the argument every time they push an anti-consumer thing like this and its a lie every time.
What's the lie? Netflix doesn't give a fuck about you or me. They're creating a list of games to provide their subscribers because they want to make more money. You want the government to pass a law that says they cant or something?
Our power here is to subscribe or not. That's it, find another avenue to exercise control in your life if that's not enough for you.
For me? You are missing the point, my dude. Boycotts never worked and never will. Have you ever seen one work?
They don't. They are going to keep boiling the proverbial frog and ten years from now something that you would buy and keep forever for a fair price is now locked behind a subscription, while we get ever dwindling salaries. This is the lie.
And yes! By all means legislate it away if you can, but legislation is made for them, by them. You want it changed, first step is not rolling the damn red capet to scams like this, being aware you are being scammed.
It's not about boycotting, it's about making a personal choice to allow something into your life or not.
They were perfectly capable of realising it with a fair price like everyone else
Says who? Do you know if the Devs can afford that or whether the mobile market is even likely to be profitable for them without help from netflix?
You are the one making stuff up. Every game ever is released with a price tag or cosmetics. Suddenly this one very old game needs so much more money to get released?
Yeah, no. Stop milking me for every fucking penny. And to defend scummy corporations doing so.
They have got much more complex games for much less. Show me their balances if you want to get all smug about how its so necessary to pay a monthly fee for a fucking 13 year old game.
So then pirate the mobile version like the rest of us, this is a good news, there's a native mobile executable of these games now, who cares if it's a subscription or one time purchase??
What's great is you can find cracked versions. I played ITB on my phone and I don't have a Netflix account
I suspect this will be the way in more ways than just videogames. Some companies are doing this to cars now, I bet stuff like hacking car firmwares will become more common.
Taking games that already exist and locking them behind their subscription. They already did it to Into the Breach. Time to boycott the the makers of these games for making shitty deals (Supergiant Games, Devolver Digital, Subset Games).
Subset Games is two people. The game has been available on Windows, Mac, and Linux for five years, during which they gave away a significant expansion for free. You're not punching up by calling for a boycott against EA or Activision here, these are indie developers and this is presumably their livelihood.
Instead, they are asking all who want to play on mobile to add a Netflix subscription. What?
It's not that deep, bro, just don't fucking play it?
So you care about me caring only enough to tell me I shouldn't care. Genius
I care about as much as you care to care because the care bears care to care and I'm living on a prayer
Care to explain that statement in caveman
Bear care. Bear, care.
Bear cool but I still don't comprehend
Instead? Instead of what? Just not developing a mobile version?
No, you claimed it's only two people and I shouldn't punch down. Instead, these two people think everyone else should pick up a Netflix subscription just to play their game. Boo hoo
The game's been out for five years, they gave it away for free on epic's shop, it's available on three other operating systems without subscription, do you want them to come round and suck you off too?
No. That's a lot of words to not understand that I just don't want a Netflix subscription in order to play a game. Hope I have a PC, what? But, since you finished it off with absurdity I have no more reason to speak with you.
OK great, yeah nobody except the people profiting off it likes games being locked behind a subscription, but the only absurdity here is your sense of entitlement
Presumably they could never afford to port to mobile themselves, without cooperating with Netflix. Since you don't want to pay for a Netflix subscription... You're not missing out on anything. It wouldn't have existed if not for Netflix.
I understand I'm not paying for it (not because I don't want the game; I'd gladly pay for it alone), and so I'm not playing it. I am missing out, what are you talking about? I'm voicing my displeasure with the situation. And it's totally valid. I think defending the subscription model is absurd.
The games already exist, but not on mobile. I'd agree if they were available on mobile already and then went behind a paywall subscription. If the games would never exist on mobile if Netflix wasn't paying for them to be there, then I don't mind as much
I hear what you are saying. I thought a little about that myself, if they are paying to get them onto the platform. But that's just it. I don't know about ios, but it's Android that Into the Breach is on. That's the platform. Netflix is no gaming platform. Why didn't these studios bring their games directly to Android? I say fault them.
I def do wish that these companies were able to publish it themselves so they didn't have to go with Netflix, I can agree with that
Also fuck normalizing not actually running your games and requiring a streaming service and monthly subscription for games.
The games are native on mobile. You need a sub but they aren't streaming
This somehow feels stupider. Why not just release in the appstore?
Well basically these games would likely have not been on mobile at all. Netflix is publishing them for mobile. If I had to guess, I'd say that Netflix approached these devs and offered to publish for them and provide them money for being on their service. For the devs, it's free money for something they likely weren't considering in the first place (porting to mobile). I definitely wish the devs would publish themselves (if they have the means) but it's not how it's happening unfortunately. And fwiw they are on the play store. You just need to sign in with a Netflix account when the game boots up.
Thats even worse lol. So Netflix is just the DRM asking for money at the gate in a subscription, because they did the work of porting it once....
I mean porting isn't an effortless task to be fair.
I'd like to be clear I definitely do not prefer subscriptions to just buying it once. But really there are 2 scenarios here. 1. The game doesn't exist on mobile at all. 2. It exists and you can play it if you have a Netflix subscription. I wish there was more than that but tbh I feel like I'd pick 2. At least with 2 the devs get more financial support and some more people have access to these excellent games
...thus normalizing subscriptions instead of a fair straight up paid version of the game. I understand having to pay for stuff, but locking everything away behind eternal monthly payments (for work done once) does not seem like the way to me, regardless of what the product even is.
They were perfectly capable of releasing it with a fair price like everyone else but choose not to because they wanted to try out a way to make more money at our expense (with, again, no extra work to justify it).
Then dont subscribe, they're not planning on making money selling to people who already on it on PC. Netflix is making it available to people who didn't buy this on PC.
If enough people dont play it, they'll lose money and they wont do it again. If a lot of people play it, then who the fuck are you to tell other people the right way to enjoy playing games?
Thats the argument every time they push an anti-consumer thing like this and its a lie every time.
What's the lie? Netflix doesn't give a fuck about you or me. They're creating a list of games to provide their subscribers because they want to make more money. You want the government to pass a law that says they cant or something?
Our power here is to subscribe or not. That's it, find another avenue to exercise control in your life if that's not enough for you.
For me? You are missing the point, my dude. Boycotts never worked and never will. Have you ever seen one work?
They don't. They are going to keep boiling the proverbial frog and ten years from now something that you would buy and keep forever for a fair price is now locked behind a subscription, while we get ever dwindling salaries. This is the lie.
And yes! By all means legislate it away if you can, but legislation is made for them, by them. You want it changed, first step is not rolling the damn red capet to scams like this, being aware you are being scammed.
It's not about boycotting, it's about making a personal choice to allow something into your life or not.
You're just making stuff up.
Says who? Do you know if the Devs can afford that or whether the mobile market is even likely to be profitable for them without help from netflix?
You are the one making stuff up. Every game ever is released with a price tag or cosmetics. Suddenly this one very old game needs so much more money to get released?
Yeah, no. Stop milking me for every fucking penny. And to defend scummy corporations doing so.
They have got much more complex games for much less. Show me their balances if you want to get all smug about how its so necessary to pay a monthly fee for a fucking 13 year old game.
So then pirate the mobile version like the rest of us, this is a good news, there's a native mobile executable of these games now, who cares if it's a subscription or one time purchase??
First sane comment in here.
What's great is you can find cracked versions. I played ITB on my phone and I don't have a Netflix account
I suspect this will be the way in more ways than just videogames. Some companies are doing this to cars now, I bet stuff like hacking car firmwares will become more common.