Anyone who thinks a sitting president won't be the party nominee in the next election (barring a case like LBJ who voluntarily chose not to run) is deluding themselves.
The only thing that could stop Biden at this point is some kind of medical intervention.
The state of the country is so bad that the only thing that bring it back is literally two accidental medical interventions. Our political system needs a major overhaul
The state of the country is so bad that...
Fundamentally disagree. If Trump and Biden both died on the same day before the election, it would not change a thing, other than make the next election even more contentious. Project 2025 doesn't go away just because Trump would be gone in that scenario.
Our political system needs a major overhaul
Agreed. It's going to take decades of concerted efforts, because the fascists aren't simply going to give up after a few losses.
It's not as if any other Republican candidate won't be a frothing fascist. We've got fucking DeSantis heeling in the wings.
And there aren't any other Democrats with enough name recognition to put forward a good game at this point. Maybe if Biden had announced he wouldn't seek a 2nd term in 2020 we'd have someone. But a sudden double-death before the general election is going to be MUCH more likely to favor a Republican.
Gavin Newsom is salivating for it, he'll be the go-to guy in '28, but someone will have to tell Harris nobody likes her.
He even vetoed all those bills to appeal to party leadership.
I’d argue AOC has the name recognition, but she’d be way too polarizing to ever get her past the establishment.
Very mixed feelings. I love having her around but the president shouldn't be a "super duper senator". I disagree with AOC on a ton but wish there were 6-28 more of her.
But the best executive shouldn't have an agenda. The ideal executive turns around and says "you vote these folks in every two years, don't yell at ms"
That's obviously not the world we live in, but it's where we need to go.
And to that... There's no equivlancy here... You can vote for or against fascism next year in the US. It should be different, but that's a hypothetical. Just imagine going to an occupy Wallstreet protestor, and explaining they'd be begging for Romney. There is no choice.
I also think parties need to put forward people with executive experience, such as Governors and Mayors. Senators have only tangential experience
Biden should have he sense to stop Biden. And there should be an upper age limit placed on the role.
That would make a Trump victory significantly more likely. Throwing away incumbent advantage is incredibly stupid if you want to win.
Is incumbency really that big an advantage? The circumstances some, Clinton, W. Bush and Obama's second terms were quite unique and prior to those 3 only 13 others have done the consecutive terms thing. Out of 44.
I dunno... Two terms seems to be more common than that...
14 Presidents serving at least 2 terms, FDR elected 4 times, Cleveland having 2 non-consecutive terms, then Nixon was elected twice and removed. McKinley and Lincoln elected twice and assassinated.
Upper age limit would require an amendment.
No objection to amendment for this issue.
My heart is with you but do you remember the last primarys? 2016 they were not. I liked some of those folks, some even more than Biden, but there was no "Obama 2.0".
I strongly dislike Joe for 1132 different reasons, but can you really imagine spooling up anyone else at this point?
I hate it. And I hope the dem party fractures into factions and the best can get through. Just after the GOP finishes it's implosion because it's terrifying.
Edit: I also had serious misgivings with Obama. But my point is of the dem primary cantidates leading up 2020 the best you can say is they were as memorable as Howard Dean.
An absolutely massive controversy could see him stepping down or losing the primary, but he hasn't had anything like that.
But there's almost no chance to beat both an incumbency bias and name recognition. Maybe if there was another contender as popular and well known they'd have a shot but probably still slim.
Anyone who thinks a sitting president won't be the party nominee in the next election (barring a case like LBJ who voluntarily chose not to run) is deluding themselves.
The only thing that could stop Biden at this point is some kind of medical intervention.
The state of the country is so bad that the only thing that bring it back is literally two accidental medical interventions. Our political system needs a major overhaul
Fundamentally disagree. If Trump and Biden both died on the same day before the election, it would not change a thing, other than make the next election even more contentious. Project 2025 doesn't go away just because Trump would be gone in that scenario.
Agreed. It's going to take decades of concerted efforts, because the fascists aren't simply going to give up after a few losses.
It's not as if any other Republican candidate won't be a frothing fascist. We've got fucking DeSantis heeling in the wings.
And there aren't any other Democrats with enough name recognition to put forward a good game at this point. Maybe if Biden had announced he wouldn't seek a 2nd term in 2020 we'd have someone. But a sudden double-death before the general election is going to be MUCH more likely to favor a Republican.
Gavin Newsom is salivating for it, he'll be the go-to guy in '28, but someone will have to tell Harris nobody likes her.
He even vetoed all those bills to appeal to party leadership.
I’d argue AOC has the name recognition, but she’d be way too polarizing to ever get her past the establishment.
Very mixed feelings. I love having her around but the president shouldn't be a "super duper senator". I disagree with AOC on a ton but wish there were 6-28 more of her.
But the best executive shouldn't have an agenda. The ideal executive turns around and says "you vote these folks in every two years, don't yell at ms"
That's obviously not the world we live in, but it's where we need to go.
And to that... There's no equivlancy here... You can vote for or against fascism next year in the US. It should be different, but that's a hypothetical. Just imagine going to an occupy Wallstreet protestor, and explaining they'd be begging for Romney. There is no choice.
I also think parties need to put forward people with executive experience, such as Governors and Mayors. Senators have only tangential experience
ATM that would leave a Christian Nationalist as the president. What a wonderful system we have...
Pretty sure referencing Trump and Biden having issues not Biden and Harris.
Gotta get the money out and require someone to be who they say they are to share content on the Internet.
Biden should have he sense to stop Biden. And there should be an upper age limit placed on the role.
That would make a Trump victory significantly more likely. Throwing away incumbent advantage is incredibly stupid if you want to win.
Is incumbency really that big an advantage? The circumstances some, Clinton, W. Bush and Obama's second terms were quite unique and prior to those 3 only 13 others have done the consecutive terms thing. Out of 44.
I dunno... Two terms seems to be more common than that...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_time_in_office
14 Presidents serving at least 2 terms, FDR elected 4 times, Cleveland having 2 non-consecutive terms, then Nixon was elected twice and removed. McKinley and Lincoln elected twice and assassinated.
Upper age limit would require an amendment.
No objection to amendment for this issue.
My heart is with you but do you remember the last primarys? 2016 they were not. I liked some of those folks, some even more than Biden, but there was no "Obama 2.0".
I strongly dislike Joe for 1132 different reasons, but can you really imagine spooling up anyone else at this point?
I hate it. And I hope the dem party fractures into factions and the best can get through. Just after the GOP finishes it's implosion because it's terrifying.
Edit: I also had serious misgivings with Obama. But my point is of the dem primary cantidates leading up 2020 the best you can say is they were as memorable as Howard Dean.
An absolutely massive controversy could see him stepping down or losing the primary, but he hasn't had anything like that.
But there's almost no chance to beat both an incumbency bias and name recognition. Maybe if there was another contender as popular and well known they'd have a shot but probably still slim.