This has been said about many issues in the past. Effecting change isn't easy but giving up doesn't help. Americans support gun control. Only our crappy political system stands in the way.
On both sides, Republicans block any gun control, and Democrats only propose useless legislation
Americans support gun control. Only our crappy political system stands in the way.
What do you think the other person meant when they said, "It’s never passing through this Congress, and if it ever did, the Supreme Court would strike it down."?
I disagree on giving up on a political issue only because it wouldn't pass right now. Politics is compromise. If you only take positions which are already on the line of compromise you've already lost.
This has been said about many issues in the past.
Which issues? Civil Rights? Gay marriage?
Those are issues in which the American people were opposed, and then societal views changed. As you pointed out, that isn't the case here. Americans already favor reform, but they aren't going to vote these people out based on the status quo.
Newtown was the wake up call, if nothing changes after a bunch of small children get massacred, you're not getting change. Not without wholesale changes. Proposing an AWB is political theater, nothing more.
If it's popular, why wouldn't the Democrats keep fighting for it?
Whether it will realistically happen anytime soon, yeah I'd say the odds are very low.
But let's not just give up as it can't ever happen.
Also "political theater" is like half of actual politics, so don't knock it too easily :P
It's the worst political theater. It makes it look like something is being done when it isn't. Gun sales go up and liberals feel good. More kids die.
So the solution is what?
We could start prosecuting people for breaking laws.
The solution is for law enforcement to properly enforce the existing laws that could have stopped countless shootings already.
My personal solution is not to worry about gun violence because it's extremely rare and highly unlikely to affect me. America is quite safe to live in for the majority of us.
My personal solution is not to worry about gun violence because it’s extremely rare and highly unlikely to affect me.
Oh, well as long as it is unlikely to affect you...
I mean illegal abortion is unlikely to affect me, so why should I give a shit, am I right?
That's really a bad comparison, because you're arguing for the point of taking away rights from Americans, by making reference to a right that was taken away (since it was never properly added to the Constitution). I support all rights for all Americans - we should all have the rights to bear arms and to privacy + bodily autonomy.
So instead of arguing to take away more rights, you should be arguing to add more rights. Lobby for the rights to privacy and bodily autonomy instead.
Make up your mind. Do you care about things that don't affect you or not?
Of course I do, and you should too. You should care about all the rights of Americans, just as I do and AS I ALREADY MENTIONED.
I have already addressed everything you mentioned previously, so now you're just pissing in the wind.
My personal solution is not to worry about gun violence because it’s extremely rare and highly unlikely to affect me
Your words.
I like how you ignore the first half of their comment then reply to the personal part, aka the non political half, and examine it as if it the only thing they said about gun violence at all.
I'm afraid at this point there's no legislation that will survive the Supreme Court. The next realistic move is to mirror the federalist society. Get enough judges appointed with the idea that the second does not protect personal gun ownership and reach a critical state.
If I could waive a magic wand without breaking the character of the US, we'd ban external magazines, have universal background checks, and stop federal funds from going to states that don't send information to the National Instant Check System. There's so much low hanging fruit. But even when SCOTUS wasn't busy boofing beers the Brady Campaign gave us shit laws designed to harass people, not reduce violence.
None of what you just proposed would reduce violence..
Frustrating the reload slows down active shooters. Solidifying the NICS means criminals can't just go to the next state over. And Universal background checks takes away the secondhand market from criminals as well.
A program to groom judges on this just like the conservatives did with Roe V Wade will do the most in the long term because we'll be able to have laws based on the actual amendment, not just a few words of it.
Yes...because no active shooters have ever made plans....and no active shooters have ever not been flagged correctly when they were prohibited already...and no one buys drugs on the black market cause that's illegal...and no one makes straw purchases which are already illegal.
RvW needs to be signed into a law, not used as a bargaining chip for votes for Democrats. They need to use their political capital to make it a federal law.
This isn't a good faith argument. The logical extent is that we can't stop every criminal so we should have no laws at all.
We already have laws for these things you listed... literally murder is illegal...so is buying or owning a firearm and being a prohibited person...you gonna make it double illegal? I'm not the one arguing in bad faith. You are
Right, first you argue we can't catch them all so we shouldn't have laws, and now your arguing that we just have to sit back and let them kill people.
This has been said about many issues in the past. Effecting change isn't easy but giving up doesn't help. Americans support gun control. Only our crappy political system stands in the way.
On both sides, Republicans block any gun control, and Democrats only propose useless legislation
What do you think the other person meant when they said, "It’s never passing through this Congress, and if it ever did, the Supreme Court would strike it down."?
I disagree on giving up on a political issue only because it wouldn't pass right now. Politics is compromise. If you only take positions which are already on the line of compromise you've already lost.
Which issues? Civil Rights? Gay marriage?
Those are issues in which the American people were opposed, and then societal views changed. As you pointed out, that isn't the case here. Americans already favor reform, but they aren't going to vote these people out based on the status quo.
Newtown was the wake up call, if nothing changes after a bunch of small children get massacred, you're not getting change. Not without wholesale changes. Proposing an AWB is political theater, nothing more.
If it's popular, why wouldn't the Democrats keep fighting for it?
Whether it will realistically happen anytime soon, yeah I'd say the odds are very low.
But let's not just give up as it can't ever happen.
Also "political theater" is like half of actual politics, so don't knock it too easily :P
It's the worst political theater. It makes it look like something is being done when it isn't. Gun sales go up and liberals feel good. More kids die.
So the solution is what?
We could start prosecuting people for breaking laws.
https://www.newsweek.com/42-rejected-gun-background-checks-2020-had-felony-convictions-1603064
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/09/19/gun-buyers-lie-and-try-only-12-prosecuted-editorials-debates/1288699002/
The solution is for law enforcement to properly enforce the existing laws that could have stopped countless shootings already.
My personal solution is not to worry about gun violence because it's extremely rare and highly unlikely to affect me. America is quite safe to live in for the majority of us.
Oh, well as long as it is unlikely to affect you...
I mean illegal abortion is unlikely to affect me, so why should I give a shit, am I right?
That's really a bad comparison, because you're arguing for the point of taking away rights from Americans, by making reference to a right that was taken away (since it was never properly added to the Constitution). I support all rights for all Americans - we should all have the rights to bear arms and to privacy + bodily autonomy.
So instead of arguing to take away more rights, you should be arguing to add more rights. Lobby for the rights to privacy and bodily autonomy instead.
Make up your mind. Do you care about things that don't affect you or not?
Of course I do, and you should too. You should care about all the rights of Americans, just as I do and AS I ALREADY MENTIONED.
I have already addressed everything you mentioned previously, so now you're just pissing in the wind.
Your words.
I like how you ignore the first half of their comment then reply to the personal part, aka the non political half, and examine it as if it the only thing they said about gun violence at all.
I'm afraid at this point there's no legislation that will survive the Supreme Court. The next realistic move is to mirror the federalist society. Get enough judges appointed with the idea that the second does not protect personal gun ownership and reach a critical state.
If I could waive a magic wand without breaking the character of the US, we'd ban external magazines, have universal background checks, and stop federal funds from going to states that don't send information to the National Instant Check System. There's so much low hanging fruit. But even when SCOTUS wasn't busy boofing beers the Brady Campaign gave us shit laws designed to harass people, not reduce violence.
None of what you just proposed would reduce violence..
Frustrating the reload slows down active shooters. Solidifying the NICS means criminals can't just go to the next state over. And Universal background checks takes away the secondhand market from criminals as well.
A program to groom judges on this just like the conservatives did with Roe V Wade will do the most in the long term because we'll be able to have laws based on the actual amendment, not just a few words of it.
Yes...because no active shooters have ever made plans....and no active shooters have ever not been flagged correctly when they were prohibited already...and no one buys drugs on the black market cause that's illegal...and no one makes straw purchases which are already illegal.
RvW needs to be signed into a law, not used as a bargaining chip for votes for Democrats. They need to use their political capital to make it a federal law.
This isn't a good faith argument. The logical extent is that we can't stop every criminal so we should have no laws at all.
We already have laws for these things you listed... literally murder is illegal...so is buying or owning a firearm and being a prohibited person...you gonna make it double illegal? I'm not the one arguing in bad faith. You are
Right, first you argue we can't catch them all so we shouldn't have laws, and now your arguing that we just have to sit back and let them kill people.
Go home.
Where did I say we shouldn't have laws?