Video shows stripped Palestinian men detained in Gaza
bbc.com
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
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And they still call themselves democratic country. Very democratic of them to humiliate human beings whose only fault is that they are of "military age" and not evacuated to the south. Apparently for Israel all males in Gaza are guilty until proven otherwise.
That's how war works. You think it's all hugs and love in a war? What if one of them have a suicide bomb belt? You might want to look into how US army treats the locals in Iraq war. Every war has war crimes(so far I don't see any committed by Israel). Every war has civilian casualties. Some people are fixated on civilians death from bombings. Well, if they are bombing Hamas targets and there are civilians, that's just how any country would have done it. US did the same. Any country would do the same. So let's get off your high horse and start criticizing both sides. I haven't heard any liberals pointing finger at the Hamas. It's sickening.
Oh hey, sure. I can tell you exactly how we did it in Iraq. On both counts. So when you first make contact with the person you're going to detain you have them stop at a distance. Then someone with a thermal sight looks at them through the sight and it's readily apparent if they have a bomb vest on. I mean there's no chance of not seeing it. But it could be something like a money belt or an armor vest. So you have them disrobe if, and only if, the guy with the thermal sight says it needs to happen. At that point if it is a vest and they're cooperative it's an EOD problem. If they aren't cooperative, well that sucks.
The key thing here though, is in the 99.9 percent of cases it's not a vest, or there was no positive indication, they keep their fucking clothes. Just like your local PD is capable of searching you without stripping you, so is your friendly neighborhood infantry platoon.
Now about bombing. Before you can drop any ordinance you have to first answer a few questions.
*Is this structure currently being used by the enemy?
*Are there signs of civilians, or is it somewhere we would reasonably expect them to be? (Such as an apartment)
*Is this structure on the protected targets list? (Oh yeah we spent time creating lists of things not to shoot at if possible.)
If the answer is yes to the first and any of the others we then also need to figure out if it rises to a level where bombing it is appropriate. For example, bombing an apartment building because there's 12 guys there is a war crime. But if there's a Battalion dug in there, then yeah it's legitimate.
What Israel has been doing is scanning satellite and drone footage for anything that looks like it could be the entrance hatch to a tunnel and bombing that. No matter where it is and with no evidence as to whether it's a maintenance tunnel or the yet to be found super secret bad guy hang out. If I did that in Iraq I'd have been brought up on charges. They tried to bring me up on charges for firing a warning shot. So please tell me more about how, this is just the way it's done. I'll be over here shining my CIB, waiting for the answer.
I'm not the person you asked this question to but wanted to answer anyway:
No. It was a refugee camp.
Yes
Not sure about the list Israel has, but yeah refugee camps should be in there.
Israel has practically assassinated so many doctors in Gaza by killing them all when they return home to check on their families. 16 of them died in their own home, not in service, with a large portion of their families. Israel knows what it's doing. It knows where targets and non-targets are... it's just that they decided that medical professionals and 4 year old girls are targets.
For the record I lost all confidence in the IDF to discern targets correctly when Reuters reported the IDF fired on a press group who were just standing around in the open.
Here are some Lebanon "incidents"
There is another video of a crew of journalists who had their vehicle bombed twice by the IDF. Luckily, they managed to escape before being killed. I couldn't find this video but if someone has it please do share.
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That other countries would do it too does in no way make it morally justified, it just makes those countries monstrous as well.
Hamas are horrible terrorists. There, your first liberal pointing a finger at Hamas. Now, consider what the point of critique is. Will Hamas ever care about western criticism? No. Will Israel ever care? Maybe. They depend on Western support in their political and economic stability. Therefore continued scrutiny and criticism of Israel has a chance of actually making a difference.
Also, only one of them is currently doing something that looks a lot like genocide.
Every single time Israel commits a war crime someone is like "tHatS jUsT wAr oKay?"
That's not what Israel said about October 7th is it?
So why should be Palestinians settle for it?
Because they don't have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing.
Ah okay so we should then just accept a genocide. Bravo.
Only if you redefine genocide so much that the term is meaningless. Israel is obviously not trying to eradicate an ethnic group. High civilian casualties via collateral damage does not a genocide make.
So you're saying all those experts at the UN "redefined genocide"?
Oh the mental equilibristics to try to excuse war crimes and clear dehumanization from Israel. Seriously you should ask what kind of a person you are if you defend them.
Maybe address the arguments being made rather than the ones making them. Not everyone thinks these are war crimes, and whatever dehumanization you see here could very well be for security reasons and not Abu Ghraib style psychological warfare.
Whether or lot they are war crimes is not a matter of taste. Your argument is stupid. We're not waiting for your opinion on This.
Withholding fuel and water and meds from a population is collective punishment. Causing starvation in the population shows intent to kill them. Documents detailing how Israel wants to push Gazans into Egypt is intent to commit ethnic cleansing.
Somehow YOU think you are smarter than all the human rights experts. Meanwhile, a genocide is unfolding.
I don't usually wish evil upon people but I do hope you one day get to experience such a degrading treatment personally. Let's see if you then find a "security reason" for it as they look up your ass to check if you have weapons, then keep you in an undisclosed location on your knees like a dog, then you never get released, and fast forward for 10 years and you're still a prisoner of Israel despite having no charge and you get tortured in prison all the time. But don't worry, I'm sure it's all JUST SECURITY
What exactly do you think democracy means and why does this run contrary to it? Democratic countries go to war all the time, especially when attacked. Perhaps this is about disarming and searching potential hostiles and not humiliation.
In the evacuation zone? Yes, and they have stated as such, everyone there will be considered a potential enemy combatant.
'Evacuation zone' aka these peoples homes and communities, where many other civilians need rescue and aid. No no please keep supporting the idea that 2 million people can just move to an undeveloped plain and have all aid including food, water and shelter withheld. Collective punishment is a war crime.
Monstrous take. Do better.
When nations go to war they go to war collectively, everyone who lives in said nations will have to all share the negative consequences of doing so. That is how war works. Counter-attacking a belligerent nation that attacked you and cutting off their supply lines is not collective punishment as in the war crime. That only applies when they are occupied, and Israel withdrew from Gaza and has not occupied it since 2005.
Inaccurate concern trolling, attempting to to bind Israel's hands and deny them from achieving meaningful safety. Do better.
"meaningful safety"
LOL
KILL, KILL, KILL FOR PEACE
Israel thinks its god, doesn't it? Announces a military zone anywhere at all, then shoots people there right and left. What we have left is entire families wiped out, and 7k dead children, and a few thousands that are so traumatized and radicalized now that Israel has effectively set the stage for the rise of the next Hamas.
Thank you Israel 👏 you have indeed saved us all 👏 👏 /s
Counter-attacking a belligerent nation != thinking itself god. You keep making these absurd statements...
Nothing happened before Oct 7th in your mind.
Do you have a copy of Mein-Kampf on your nightstand?