Video shows stripped Palestinian men detained in Gaza
bbc.com
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
Brings back memories of dehumanised people, that of all the people in the world, Israelis were expected to never want to see again the most
And they still call themselves democratic country. Very democratic of them to humiliate human beings whose only fault is that they are of "military age" and not evacuated to the south. Apparently for Israel all males in Gaza are guilty until proven otherwise.
What exactly do you think democracy means and why does this run contrary to it? Democratic countries go to war all the time, especially when attacked. Perhaps this is about disarming and searching potential hostiles and not humiliation.
In the evacuation zone? Yes, and they have stated as such, everyone there will be considered a potential enemy combatant.
'Evacuation zone' aka these peoples homes and communities, where many other civilians need rescue and aid. No no please keep supporting the idea that 2 million people can just move to an undeveloped plain and have all aid including food, water and shelter withheld. Collective punishment is a war crime.
Monstrous take. Do better.
When nations go to war they go to war collectively, everyone who lives in said nations will have to all share the negative consequences of doing so. That is how war works. Counter-attacking a belligerent nation that attacked you and cutting off their supply lines is not collective punishment as in the war crime. That only applies when they are occupied, and Israel withdrew from Gaza and has not occupied it since 2005.
Inaccurate concern trolling, attempting to to bind Israel's hands and deny them from achieving meaningful safety. Do better.
"meaningful safety"
LOL
KILL, KILL, KILL FOR PEACE
Israel thinks its god, doesn't it? Announces a military zone anywhere at all, then shoots people there right and left. What we have left is entire families wiped out, and 7k dead children, and a few thousands that are so traumatized and radicalized now that Israel has effectively set the stage for the rise of the next Hamas.
Thank you Israel 👏 you have indeed saved us all 👏 👏 /s
Counter-attacking a belligerent nation != thinking itself god. You keep making these absurd statements...
Nothing happened before Oct 7th in your mind.
Do you have a copy of Mein-Kampf on your nightstand?
That's how war works. You think it's all hugs and love in a war? What if one of them have a suicide bomb belt? You might want to look into how US army treats the locals in Iraq war. Every war has war crimes(so far I don't see any committed by Israel). Every war has civilian casualties. Some people are fixated on civilians death from bombings. Well, if they are bombing Hamas targets and there are civilians, that's just how any country would have done it. US did the same. Any country would do the same. So let's get off your high horse and start criticizing both sides. I haven't heard any liberals pointing finger at the Hamas. It's sickening.
Oh hey, sure. I can tell you exactly how we did it in Iraq. On both counts. So when you first make contact with the person you're going to detain you have them stop at a distance. Then someone with a thermal sight looks at them through the sight and it's readily apparent if they have a bomb vest on. I mean there's no chance of not seeing it. But it could be something like a money belt or an armor vest. So you have them disrobe if, and only if, the guy with the thermal sight says it needs to happen. At that point if it is a vest and they're cooperative it's an EOD problem. If they aren't cooperative, well that sucks.
The key thing here though, is in the 99.9 percent of cases it's not a vest, or there was no positive indication, they keep their fucking clothes. Just like your local PD is capable of searching you without stripping you, so is your friendly neighborhood infantry platoon.
Now about bombing. Before you can drop any ordinance you have to first answer a few questions.
*Is this structure currently being used by the enemy?
*Are there signs of civilians, or is it somewhere we would reasonably expect them to be? (Such as an apartment)
*Is this structure on the protected targets list? (Oh yeah we spent time creating lists of things not to shoot at if possible.)
If the answer is yes to the first and any of the others we then also need to figure out if it rises to a level where bombing it is appropriate. For example, bombing an apartment building because there's 12 guys there is a war crime. But if there's a Battalion dug in there, then yeah it's legitimate.
What Israel has been doing is scanning satellite and drone footage for anything that looks like it could be the entrance hatch to a tunnel and bombing that. No matter where it is and with no evidence as to whether it's a maintenance tunnel or the yet to be found super secret bad guy hang out. If I did that in Iraq I'd have been brought up on charges. They tried to bring me up on charges for firing a warning shot. So please tell me more about how, this is just the way it's done. I'll be over here shining my CIB, waiting for the answer.
I'm not the person you asked this question to but wanted to answer anyway:
No. It was a refugee camp.
Yes
Not sure about the list Israel has, but yeah refugee camps should be in there.
Israel has practically assassinated so many doctors in Gaza by killing them all when they return home to check on their families. 16 of them died in their own home, not in service, with a large portion of their families. Israel knows what it's doing. It knows where targets and non-targets are... it's just that they decided that medical professionals and 4 year old girls are targets.
For the record I lost all confidence in the IDF to discern targets correctly when Reuters reported the IDF fired on a press group who were just standing around in the open.
Here are some Lebanon "incidents"
There is another video of a crew of journalists who had their vehicle bombed twice by the IDF. Luckily, they managed to escape before being killed. I couldn't find this video but if someone has it please do share.
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That other countries would do it too does in no way make it morally justified, it just makes those countries monstrous as well.
Hamas are horrible terrorists. There, your first liberal pointing a finger at Hamas. Now, consider what the point of critique is. Will Hamas ever care about western criticism? No. Will Israel ever care? Maybe. They depend on Western support in their political and economic stability. Therefore continued scrutiny and criticism of Israel has a chance of actually making a difference.
Also, only one of them is currently doing something that looks a lot like genocide.
Every single time Israel commits a war crime someone is like "tHatS jUsT wAr oKay?"
That's not what Israel said about October 7th is it?
So why should be Palestinians settle for it?
Because they don't have the means to fight back and win. Because if they insist on intifada they will end up with nothing.
Ah okay so we should then just accept a genocide. Bravo.
Only if you redefine genocide so much that the term is meaningless. Israel is obviously not trying to eradicate an ethnic group. High civilian casualties via collateral damage does not a genocide make.
So you're saying all those experts at the UN "redefined genocide"?
Oh the mental equilibristics to try to excuse war crimes and clear dehumanization from Israel. Seriously you should ask what kind of a person you are if you defend them.
Maybe address the arguments being made rather than the ones making them. Not everyone thinks these are war crimes, and whatever dehumanization you see here could very well be for security reasons and not Abu Ghraib style psychological warfare.
Whether or lot they are war crimes is not a matter of taste. Your argument is stupid. We're not waiting for your opinion on This.
Withholding fuel and water and meds from a population is collective punishment. Causing starvation in the population shows intent to kill them. Documents detailing how Israel wants to push Gazans into Egypt is intent to commit ethnic cleansing.
Somehow YOU think you are smarter than all the human rights experts. Meanwhile, a genocide is unfolding.
I don't usually wish evil upon people but I do hope you one day get to experience such a degrading treatment personally. Let's see if you then find a "security reason" for it as they look up your ass to check if you have weapons, then keep you in an undisclosed location on your knees like a dog, then you never get released, and fast forward for 10 years and you're still a prisoner of Israel despite having no charge and you get tortured in prison all the time. But don't worry, I'm sure it's all JUST SECURITY
A textbook genocide with daily war crimes.
Israel has lost the war. Young people don't like Israel. Right wingers hate Jews. Leftists hate apartheid. There is no way out.
Military, oil, and other megacorporations love Israel though.
Majority opinion doesn't matter as much as that of the capitalist ruling class under capitalism, unless there's massive protests and riots.
Why does oil love Israel?
Keeping the middle east divided and at war gets them better deals.
They'd be better off destroying OPEC not Gaza
Israel is America's military base to surpress the middle east with. And America uses it to kill governments that don't want to give them free oil or use the petro dollar.
Not sure if it's true but I've heard there are huge oil reserves off the coast of Gaza.
Lots of right leaning conservatives in America dick ride the Zionists.
But ig they don't represent all right wingers
The issue is bipartisan. Dems love Israel just the same it seems.
Democrats in power are fully bought by the israeli AIPAC lobby. Joe Biden is a major recipient of israeli bribes.
Israel is currently spending 100 million to replace the Democrats that don't support their apartheid, such as Ilhan Omar or AOC. https://newrepublic.com/post/176959/aipac-spending-target-squad-2024-election
And then the Democrats feign outrage about foreign interference in US elections. Just like they (rightly) say we have to defeat Trump to save democracy, all while actively rigging the 2024 primary - even canceling it in states like Florida.
Democrats are a far bit better than Republicans, but they are sure doing everything possible to undermine their own messaging.
At least with republicans you know they're awful from the jump they don't really try to hide their shit baggery. Dems try to play the good guy but are like wolves in sheep's clothing
More like sheep in shepard's clothing I think. They give the sheep a false sense of security but, when the wolves appear, suddenly they are sheep again, or nowhere to be found.
ywah absolutely
You got the Christo-Con old guard Republicans who will drop to their knees at the drop of a hat to suck the nearest Israeli's dick. They make up majority of the over-60s, which is frankly a pretty major segment of the Republicans. These are the guys who will automatically side with our greatest ally regardless of context.
Trump-leaning but not fanatical Republicans tend to be pro-Zionism or at the very least they are neutral to it. I feel like this group is exceedingly small.
But MAGA-ers? It's hard to place them. You get a mix bag of hardcore Zionists, white nationalists, libertarians who are against the funding, it's all over the fucking place.
I do feel like Zionism is dropping among Republicans year by year.
Let’s see Bean Shapeepee cope with this
They haven't lost anything. They have the full support of almost the entirety of the US government, hence the $100+ billion in additional funding on top of the billions they already receive every single year. Although the tides are changing, they're changing so slowly that any trace of Palestine will likely be wiped off the map long before the possibility of a majority Palestinian-favoring congress ever forms. Israel are accelerating their ethnic cleansing efforts to ensure this.
There are no more corners to cut from Israel's holocaust victim card
Oh look more war crimes.
You are in fact supposed to give them their clothes back after you make sure there's nothing bad in them. This kind of humiliation is a form of torture.
Before someone asks, I'm pretty sure they aren't going anywhere with hoods and cuffs on.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
With fighting raging around Khan Younis and in the north of Gaza, a video has emerged on social media showing dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israel.
Asked about the video, a spokesman for the Israeli government told the BBC the men detained were all of military age and had been "discovered in areas that civilians were supposed to have evacuated weeks ago".
In the video, dozens of men are lined up on a pavement and appear to have been told to remove their shoes, which are scattered across the road.
Another image - which has not yet been verified by the BBC - shows men blindfolded, kneeling in what appears to be a large pit of bulldozed sand.
On Friday, Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy told the BBC the men had been detained in Jabalia and Shejaiya in northern Gaza, which he described as "Hamas strongholds and centres of gravity".
It added that soldiers forced the men to remove their clothes and "subjected them to invasive searches and humiliating treatment upon their arrest, prior to transporting them to undisclosed locations".
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The IDF actually staged a video where they forced one guy in his underwear to hold a gun and put it down somewhere as to pretend that they were combatants...
https://youtu.be/qd1rR_UNSFg?si=QKBX7POCVzPXbQBW
Also a plethora of women saying the IDF stripped them, beat them and threatened to rape them. Disgusting barbarians.
Even if it wasn't staged, are they "Hamas fighters" for owning rifles? I don't see any of the missles and weapons Hamas are known to own and produce. This is even less stuff than they "found" in the MRI machine in that hospital after all those people they killed.
Israeli citizens and namely settlers have been getting licenses for weapons since October 7th. This is, of course, totally acceptable because they're Israelis and Jews.
Anyone else doing that is a terrorist and must be neutralized, alongside every member of their families 🙄
And if all of this is a security concern, why did they even publish such pictures that clearly give them really bad PR?
Bravo, Israel, you are just showing us you're willing to go full Satan.
If he was holding the gun while he was surrendering him it would be justified, which is what they're seemingly trying to stage in this video.
The problem is that the man got the gun in one hand in one video, the gun is then in his other hand in the next video, which proves it was a retake of the same act.
They quickly deleted the second Twitter video in classic IDF fashion when they see they leaked propaganda evidence.
And somehow he's allowed to have a gun while being in his underwear...
Seems just a tad too suspicious.
Yes, somehow he was stripped before the rifle was taken away from him. Totally "checks out".
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ISISrael vibes
Fighting age men, in groups, in an active combat zone, when everyone else is evacuated. 🤔
The IDF showed restraint and it's interesting to see the pro-hamas crowd trying to spin this as bad.
Honestly given what you can see a better headline for this would be, 'Hamas unit with embedded journalist throws down weapons and surrenders to IDF after realising Hamas actually is just trying to kill Palestinians for propaganda'
Oh no. Unarmed people not in a uniform what do we do? Such a moral dilemma?!?
Oh wait. Nope. You leave them the fuck alone. You can't arrest an entire city for existing.
The south is safe my ass.
Who said that? Are you quoting yourself? IDF has been clear they will attack Hamas wherever they are found, even in the south. The evacuation zone is where they will consider those who remain potential enemy combatants and where the heaviest bombing is.
You are right. The IDF is clear about the fact that it's committing war crimes in Gaza.
Would you evacuate the south knowing too well Israel is bombing you on on the way, in the south, and in the north?
You know who these "Palestinian men" are?
Civilians, most likely. Why, are you okay with treating ANY human being like this?
But of course the IDF won't say who they are or why they are holding them in this position that with all honestly invokes images similar to the holocaust or some other fucked up human tragedy.
Edit: I think your comment is quite shameful. It is an attempt at excusing Israel's humiliating treatment of Palestinians. If you read the article, these people were arrested for simply being men and for being in the North of Gaza... And yeah, you'll probably think anyone in the north deserves to die after Israel told people to evacuate... Even though it bombed them in the North and South and in their homes and shops and streets and everywhere they go. Fuck Israel. Zionism is facism. This is facism. And supporting it is supporting a Hiterly figure who dehumanized Palestinians like Hitler dehumanized Jews. When I see someone see these images and still excuse the crimes of Israel, it makes me hate living in this world.
What makes you assume they are civilians, and shouldn't this be verified? That's the nature of war; It seems provoking one wasn't the best idea. Strip searching them and arresting them is pretty humane considering the alternatives.
For starters one of them was a journalist and he is still detained.
Edit: I think you're turning a blind eye to this. Look at the pictures again. Would a "democracy" do this? Or does it look more like something from a chapter in a history book?
A democracy literally is doing this.
It should be stripped of this self-acclaimed title.
It's an illegitimate apartheid state
You know that a "democracy" doesn't mean "a good country", right? Democracies can do war crimes just as well as dictatorships. It's irrelevant.
Edit: typo
Yeah, you're right... Israel is a shitty democracy.
Edit: at a second thought, are you really a democracy if you run an apartheid system?
The word democracy doesn't mean good.
Also Russia is a democracy and so is China. They said they are so they must be.
They're torturing and interrogating them. That's literally the story here.
You think a strip search is torture?
Yes, humiliation with no purpose is torture.
Translation: "OH this inhumane treatment of Palestinians, noooooo, that's just the special Israeli strip search technique! You strip them, you beat them, you make them do 5 minutes of montage, you take them to the desert, blindfolded, naked, humiliated, like a photo from a history book, and then you make then kneel for 3 hours. Meanwhile they have no idea where their wives or children are, and vice versa. They don't even know what location we brought them TO. AND THAT IS THE GREAT AND AMAZING ISRAELI STRIP SEARCH TECHNIQUE. How dare you call this torture? They were KHAMAS suspects!!"
It's dehumanizing behavior, it's literally in the Holocaust museum described as such.
Every time I see your comments I just imagine Hitler trying to brush the holocaust under a rug.
Then work on your reading comprehension, because this is nothing like the Nazis, despite your ilk's constant attempts at making that false equivalency.
Does Never Again include Palestinians? Yes/no?
I thought Never Again included everyone, but I don't know. You'll have to ask the people who use that phrase.
Either way, this is not comparable. No one is trying to eradicate Palestinian Arabs.
Then why do we have mounting evidence that Israel is trying to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing? I think if you deny the mounting evidence, you must be pretty deluded.
Share it then. I can't deny evidence you've yet to present, and I'm sure as hell not taking your word for it given the statements you've made here.
I've seen no evidence of genocide and I highly doubt Israel would considering their recent history.
I'm going to pretend you are a poor little uninformed person, even though we both know that's not true. Here you go:
https://www.btselem.org/list_of_topics
Othwerwise use Google instead of being so intellectually dishonest, either that or living under a rock but I doubt it.
No, they're not civilians, they're Hamas members came out of tonnels Northern Gaza when IDF have started to flood them with sea water
And how else is IDF supposed to make sure that they don't have any weapons?
And it's not even comparable, stop equating things with holocaust, it's really disrespectful
Do you have a source or is all this bullshit pouring out of your ass?
What's disrespectful to the holocaust IS TO FUCKING REPEAT IT AND CLAIM THE HIGH MORAL GROUND.
No point arguing with him, he seems much like an pro-Zionist and will claim anything without source - to “prove” his point.
Recommend just block such people, not worth the energy and time.
Even the article he/she linked in response to this says two opposite things: they "surrendered" and that they "were being checked".
Those men in that picture will need therapy, a lot of it, to overcome this crap... If they even make it out alive.
Hamas threw the first punch then ran to hide in the shadows.
How else can you retaliate without blowing up everything casting a shadow?
By retaliating in a manner that doesn't involve blowing up everything that casts a shadow
I feel like trying to define a 'firat punch' in the shit show that has been palestinian-israeli relations is a fruitless task.
Surely a more productive avenue would be to seek common ground, shared humanity and a practical way forward among the moderates on both sides.
It's a very easy task for someone who wants to start the clock at a point that makes Israel look like the victim.
The first punch was dealt by israel. There is no question about this.
It's as like saying "man I wonder who started that Apartheid shit in South Africa. Maybe the black people did it to themselves!
I feel like "there is no question about this." as a statement is just not true. there is definitely some debate about it.
The same debate you can hold for the South Africans. Or any other colony.
People stole their land, then they got mad and retaliated. Then you can start the funny chain.
The original sin remains the creation of the apartheids state of israel on another people's land.
I am not going to respond when you talk like that.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1701980659-over-150-hamas-terrorists-surrender-to-idf-forces-in-khan-yunis https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/12/07/hamas-terrorists-surrendering-large-numbers-israeli-forces-reports/
And it's a reality of war.
Maybe you missed the memo, but no one believes the IDF anymore and neither should they believe a bunch of people sitting on a pile of skulls that used to be journalists and UN workers.
But yeah I couldn't give two shits about whether or not you like how I speak. Everyone can see through you.
Edit: do you REALLY think you need to blindfold people, strip them to their underwear, and make them sit somewhere in a line on their knees in a humiliating fashion, out in the open to investigate their activity?
This isn't even new. We know Israel tortures people in prison. We know they have been stripping lots of people being detained WITHOUT A FUCKING CHARGE.
Is this a regime you are proud to defend? Seriously
"I'm not gonna respond"
Responds
The IDF: they surrendered
Also the IDF:
One war crime after the next after the next after the next...
The IDF (again): but they are just KHAMAS fighters!
But also the IDF:
Fuck the IDF and all their actions from the bottom of my fucking heart.
This story today almost had me collapse, I don't know what made me not pick up that coffee mug and slam it across the floor. How can anyone allow such sad footage to remain the current reality? How could anyone defend this dehumanization of Palestinian men who have spent the last month mourning their dead or trying to pry them from under rubble, with no food and no clean water? How did Israel get us this fucking far and deep into human rights violations?
Just FYI, holocaust denial began during the holocaust. The denial of this genocide of Palestinians is also happening during. Do you know how many Germans couldn't get themselves to believe the atrocities committed by their government? Do you want to repeat the same today?
Where are you getting this information?
He's getting it from the same people that committed this human rights violation. 😅
Somewhere up his ass
Dude, that report literally said one of them was a well-known journalist.
Bold of you to assume any of these propel complaining read anything beyond the title.
One of them is a well known journalist.
Ya they are men from Palestine. Doesn't make them Hamas because I doubt the IDF are taking prisoners of war. They bomb hospitals and refugee camps. Taking a enemy combatant alive isn't their MO.
That's the point, not all Palestinians are members of Hamas, it's sad that people equate between the two.
Not really.
And Israel does takes POW, how else would it get to know where Israeli hostages are?
If Israel knew where the hostages are then why do so many released hostages say that bombs were firing really close to them? And why do we have reports of dead hostages due to Israeli bombing?
They found them in an active war zone where they said anyone remaining would be considered a potential enemy combatant. They didn't shoot them, instead they arrested them to determine who is a hostile. I guess the IDF is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
They'd be less damned if they stopped their relentless bombing, their overall invasion, had a longer ceasefire for refugees and medical and humanitarian aid, allowed food, medical supplies and humanitarian aid into Gaza, weren't telling people to evacuate during these days and then bombing them, weren't telling them to move to these neighborhoods and then bombing them, weren't killing and kidnapping random Palestinians in Israel and the West Bank, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc ....
It's almost like Israel was once again provoked into war, and all that that entails… cutting off supply lines, destroying enemy infrastructure, launching attacks against Hamas members who surround themselves with human shields, etc, etc, etc…
Gaza needed 500 trucks a day, Israel made sure they get less than that in weeks.
Fuck Israel.
Israel is now fascism.
"Provoked into war" says the country with two fucking separation walls and a history of ethnic cleansing.
Fuck off.
Are you denying Oct 7 happened?
No.
Are you denying the Nakba?
You know that more than one provocation can exist simultaneously, right?
The Nakba happened because Palestine tried to destroy Israel and lost, so they annexed the lands of those who left. That also happened because of Palestinian provocation and violence. It seems a lot like this to me.
That's a very shitty way to try to say "ethnic cleansing".
Imagine if people said that about the holocaust...
Declaring you're going to commit a war crime doesn't make it not a war crime.
Israel loves declaring anything a war zone then arresting people there.
I don't think anyone had a problem with them being interrogated. It's the stripping of them naked, completely unnecessarily, and mistreating them for hours that got everyone angry.
The IDF should be damned, they don't do defence, just apartheid.
Yeah I'm sure they are doing this because it's lots of fun not because they are at war with a force trying to destroy them. 🙄
Have you considered they might be armed?
Have you considered they are innocent until proven guilty and that what Israel did is shameful?
You know that people are arrested before they are proven guilty, right?
Are they also stripped to their underwear and forced to stay on their knees in an undisclosed location? 😬