I want any Texan to give me the moral justification for forcing a woman to give birth to a baby that will only live for a few hours in agony before dying. Because this isn't stopping what they call murder. There's no murder here even if you consider abortion to be murder in general because there will be no life for this fetus/baby/whatever you want to call it.
I want to know why this woman should be banned from having an abortion in Texas beyond 'we said no abortions and we mean it.'
“God’s will” is the typical refrain. I usually reply with “Then why are you wearing shoes? If god wanted something on your feet he would have given them to you”. Glasses are similarly blasphemy according to their poor logic.
Or why do you ever go to the doctor for anything? Shouldn't it be "God's will" if you break an arm or get pneumonia?
I remember one of the priests at my childhood (Roman Catholic) church had a great sermon about this mentality. He told the story of a woman trapped on the roof of her home after a horrible flood. A man in a rowboat finds her and attempts to lend assistance. “No need! God will save me”. Confused, he moved on. Next, a motor boat passes by, offering to help her from her roof as well. Again, “no thanks, God will save me!” Later on, a coast guard chopper arrives. The rescuer winched down onto the roof is similarly rebuked by the woman. She soon dies from exposure. When she arrives into heaven she angrily asks God why he didn’t save her to which God answers “I sent two boats and a rescue helicopter for you!”
That sermon is a joke that i heard when i was a kid prob 20 years ago or so.
Well it was one of the few I found interesting so I guess good for that guy for getting me to listen. He made it about how god helps people that help themselves after the punchline
Some of them are that crazy. Let me introduce you to the Church of Christ, Scientist (yes that's actually their name).
I hold the opinion the religious should live much more like the Amish. If you don’t believe in science, don’t. But they shouldn’t be able to cherry pick which science to believe in.
These are literally grown adults that believe in magic. There's not going to be any reasonable explanation that will make any sense to anyone outside of their cult.
She is a sinner so she must endure her divine punishment. That's the whole argument.
The folks I know who believe in magic believe in faeries and healing crystals. They don't have issues with abortions.
These folks believe in religion, which is far worse than magic.
I dunno, Jesus was pretty much a DnD cleric, and they do magic all the time.
Jesus literally had a magic wand in some early Christian imagery.
They believe god may grant the fetus a reprieve at any moment. They believe in magic, ffs. What do you expect?
Couldn’t god just make the abortion not work? Maybe give the doctor a heart attack, or make Jesus appear on the sonogram like he does on toast?
I mean he could make a lot of things not work, but prefers to allow our fuck ups with random miracles mixed in. Apparently free will means letting us do bad shit.
And that’s where the whole tri-omni approach starts to eat its own tail.
I have a whole shtick about free will not being compatible with either a materialistic nor a tri-omni worldview. I simply do not believe it exists, nor is it possible.
The omnis just don't work sanely, not that believers will listen.
Epicurus tackled it centuries before Christianity existed:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
I doubt in many cases they even believe in the science that says this is going to be the outcome, because science isn't real.
They think science is a religion. Manifestation of your will is what makes reality. So if they pray hard enough, it will have an effect. They think people who consider themselves scientists are just making it up and making it real because they believe it so much.
I don't see why they would doubt that. In my experience they tend to trust medical science but god is a super doc that might miracle someone in a bad spot.
Because god works in mysterious ways or some bullshit like that?
I want any Texan to give me the moral justification for forcing a woman to give birth to a baby that will only live for a few hours in agony before dying. Because this isn't stopping what they call murder. There's no murder here even if you consider abortion to be murder in general because there will be no life for this fetus/baby/whatever you want to call it.
I want to know why this woman should be banned from having an abortion in Texas beyond 'we said no abortions and we mean it.'
“God’s will” is the typical refrain. I usually reply with “Then why are you wearing shoes? If god wanted something on your feet he would have given them to you”. Glasses are similarly blasphemy according to their poor logic.
Or why do you ever go to the doctor for anything? Shouldn't it be "God's will" if you break an arm or get pneumonia?
I remember one of the priests at my childhood (Roman Catholic) church had a great sermon about this mentality. He told the story of a woman trapped on the roof of her home after a horrible flood. A man in a rowboat finds her and attempts to lend assistance. “No need! God will save me”. Confused, he moved on. Next, a motor boat passes by, offering to help her from her roof as well. Again, “no thanks, God will save me!” Later on, a coast guard chopper arrives. The rescuer winched down onto the roof is similarly rebuked by the woman. She soon dies from exposure. When she arrives into heaven she angrily asks God why he didn’t save her to which God answers “I sent two boats and a rescue helicopter for you!”
That sermon is a joke that i heard when i was a kid prob 20 years ago or so.
Well it was one of the few I found interesting so I guess good for that guy for getting me to listen. He made it about how god helps people that help themselves after the punchline
Some of them are that crazy. Let me introduce you to the Church of Christ, Scientist (yes that's actually their name).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Christ,_Scientist
Knowing Better made a great video about them and their founder!
I hold the opinion the religious should live much more like the Amish. If you don’t believe in science, don’t. But they shouldn’t be able to cherry pick which science to believe in.
These are literally grown adults that believe in magic. There's not going to be any reasonable explanation that will make any sense to anyone outside of their cult.
She is a sinner so she must endure her divine punishment. That's the whole argument.
The folks I know who believe in magic believe in faeries and healing crystals. They don't have issues with abortions.
These folks believe in religion, which is far worse than magic.
I dunno, Jesus was pretty much a DnD cleric, and they do magic all the time.
Jesus literally had a magic wand in some early Christian imagery.
They believe god may grant the fetus a reprieve at any moment. They believe in magic, ffs. What do you expect?
Couldn’t god just make the abortion not work? Maybe give the doctor a heart attack, or make Jesus appear on the sonogram like he does on toast?
I mean he could make a lot of things not work, but prefers to allow our fuck ups with random miracles mixed in. Apparently free will means letting us do bad shit.
And that’s where the whole tri-omni approach starts to eat its own tail.
I have a whole shtick about free will not being compatible with either a materialistic nor a tri-omni worldview. I simply do not believe it exists, nor is it possible.
The omnis just don't work sanely, not that believers will listen.
Epicurus tackled it centuries before Christianity existed:
I doubt in many cases they even believe in the science that says this is going to be the outcome, because science isn't real.
They think science is a religion. Manifestation of your will is what makes reality. So if they pray hard enough, it will have an effect. They think people who consider themselves scientists are just making it up and making it real because they believe it so much.
I don't see why they would doubt that. In my experience they tend to trust medical science but god is a super doc that might miracle someone in a bad spot.
Because god works in mysterious ways or some bullshit like that?